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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Comment from the source:

Microsoft poisoned their own well with all the changes they have been forcing on users lately. The update nagging, resetting the default browser to edge, the the ads in windows features, and integrating bing into the start menu have all trained users that when Microsoft starts pushing something new, it probably isn't great and should just be ignored, like ads in phone apps.

That ^

Also, the copilot llm sucks. Local models are neat within their limitations, and they'd be even better if Microsoft made them trainable/customizable, did better RAG, more integrated, or whatever, but they just shoved a dumb thing down user's throats, and now they've poisoned another well.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

It drives me insane when I randomly get Microsoft telling me to finish setting up my PC like 5 years into owning it and all its trying to do is get me to reset my default browser to edge. Fucking annoying as shit.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

The funny thing is, that microsoft has been doing that for years now and people just ate it, including forced updates, changes to default applications, limitations on hardware etc. It's kinda funny that copilot is the drop that made the barrel spill.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I've been neutral with Microsoft upgrades for years. Annoying, but not enough to want to change.

But after Cortana, I'm done in with upgrades. I'm sitting on Win10 forever until SteamOS fully works for every game i own. My work laptops are already off of Microsoft.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 51 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Isn't copilot that horrifically invasive LITERAL spyware that screenshots everything you're doing?

GEE WHIZ WHO WOULDN'T WANT THAT

Gods fucking damn it Microsoft, get a clue.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Copilot is Microsoft’s name for their AI service, like Google’s Gemini or Chat GPT. Recall is their service that will screenshot everything you do for ~~training~~ improving the results.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

I think you have to have copilot installed to have the recall spyware though.

[–] Funky_Beak 28 points 2 days ago

Literally final straw that made me jump exclusively to a linux distro.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

GEE WHIZ WHO WOULDN’T WANT THAT

The promise of Copilot is this fanciful idea of automating every job that involves a computer.

So employers love this, because it is supposed to usher in a drastically smaller office fully of middle management prompt engineers who can simulate a new worker with a few button clicks.

That's the dream. That's who it is for in theory. In practice, the technology doesn't work.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In theory there is little difference between practice and theory. In practice there is.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 9 points 2 days ago

You're thinking of Recall

[–] Hegz@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I kind of want to see the chat boards where people who think this is a good idea hang out and justify it...

With sort of the same way you stare at a train wreck, morbid curiosity.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Bet it'd be nauseating as watching /r/conservative

Just a massive circle jerk with continuous copium-huffing

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just thinking of this reminds me of a conversation i had with a c-suite gronk back in the day.

"What about the cloud? Should we just get rid of our citrix and use that??"

The suit tiers are full of idiots who used chatgpt once for an incredibly simplistic task and are now obsessed with jamming it up everyone's arse

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Cloud, blockchain, now AI... They're all good for some things but I swear the execs making decisions subscribe to my Aunt Fran's philosophy with cheese: if a little is good, way too much must be even better!

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 2 days ago

That's recall, copilot is clippy on steroids.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Corporations have always hated labor because it's always their highest cost. It's why layoffs are the first to be used, and usually the largest way, to cover up bad profits for shareholders. Anything that allows a corporation to cut labor costs, even at the expense of their entire service offering was bound to be adopted as thoroughly as possible, regardless of public sentiment. They keep hoping more data will be the key to get AI to replace the cost of having to pay workers!

Thing is, last I read, humans have not produced enough written works (in all of human history) to make AI good enough to replace labor.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 6 points 1 day ago

Layoffs used to be less common prior to the itinerant CEO being the main type. Layoffs as a performance for shareholders even when it's known that they hurt the long term stability of the company is 80s/90s.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

They didn’t budge on Recall either. All of this is just driving away customers.

Linux mint is free and works really well. I switched six months ago and with I would have years ago

[–] haywire7@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They forced something nobody asked for or had a use for beyond the quick what does it do? Then wandered why no one used it? Shocked Pikachu face.

The meta one in WhatsApp, utterly pointless. Copilot non-use to me at all. Gemini has less features than the old Google assistant and is worse in every way at doing the things it does do.

It would be great itlf they'd stop reshaping a working OS around fads.

Tablets went nowhere and left a big scar on Windows and now AI is gonna do the same.

They missed the boat on the one thing that could have made them money, gaming. If they'd put half the effort of this copilot crap into integrating something to compete with steam around that time then things would be very different.

This AI bubble needs to pop. It's had it's fun, it has some niches but for day to day usage at work and home it's of no use to the vast majority of people.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

Gemini is such a joke. I long pressed my phone's button while driving to send my wife a text with voice to text. Gemini pops up and is like "I can't do that". Then I ask it to switch back and it gives me instructions on how. I can't do that while I'm driving though. So annoying and useless. Couldn't navigate anywhere either or okay my music.

[–] polle@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Still wonder to this day why microsoft, with all their experience with the xbox, that they never made windows be able to behave like a konsole. I have an gaming pc at my tv and the times that some random popup or program suddenly has Focus is way to high. You still need a fucking keyboars. At least my main computer is Linux <3

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah there's nothing I like more than having AI integrated into everything I do. It's sure fun to have educated guesses crowbarred into everything I search for!

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Uneducated guesses.

Basically having a game of telephone crowbarred into everything

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Glad to see it. It begs the question though, if they could get computers to want to talk to other computers and Microsoft could somehow make money, would that make them happy? Is computer to computer business something corporations want?

That's right; Microsoft Copilot's weekly user base is only 5% of the number of people who use ChatGPT, and it's not increasing. It's also worth noting that there are approximately 1.5 billion Windows users worldwide, which means just over 1% of them are using Copilot, a tool that's now a Windows default app. This is quite scary from Microsoft's point of view, which has put so much effort and money into its AI ventures that it really cannot afford for its business to dwindle out so soon.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is quite scary from Microsoft's point of view, which has put so much effort and money into its AI ventures that it really cannot afford for its business to dwindle out so soon.

No one forced them to jump on the hype train. And, rather than realizing people don't want it shoved into every nook and cranny of the OS and its default apps, they're probably going to double down and start with full-screen popups or some other bullcrap like they did with the Windows 10 upgrades.

"The people will like what we tell them to like" only seems to work for Apple.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I was getting copilot pop-ups months ago that were begging me to join. Every update, I have to check the settings again. One Note and Copilot can go suck on some eggs.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

On, snap. Maybe group policy at work keeps the worst of that at bay (I've only seen the CoPilot app show up in the start menu which I immediately removed).

I don't have a horse in that fight at home (everything Linux all the time), so I didn't realize it had reached that point already. Lol, and people still don't want it.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Lol, and people still don’t want it.

I'm pleasantly surprised that no one else does. I'm usually the outlier in my family and friends. I think the trust level for these corporations has sunk pretty low. 10 years ago, it probably would have been a hit.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago

Corporate/LTS editons of windows don't have this shit. Microsoft knows better than to bite the hand that feeds it

Home users can go get fucked though. Been that way for years, why do you think there's different versions (home, professional, ultimate) of win 7 onwards?

[–] abscond@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The guy leading Microsoft AI, Mustafa Suleyman has apparently been failing upward for years.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

This kind of thing makes me lose hope for humanity—the tendency for psychopaths to rise in power. Maybe that actually helped us advance to a point but it’ll definitely hold us back from evolving to something more equitable for all.

[–] crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Honestly I feel as though peak Windows was XP. Windows 7 was probably the last good OS they released but man could XP run on almost anything.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Win 2k was my favorite. Ran well and gave the user total control over the system.

[–] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Min Reqs: 233 MHz Processor, 64MB RAM, 1.5 GB Storage... it could probably run on your car key fob.

The other day I read a post by someone who was wondering, and yes, the IC in a standard usb-c cable is (marginally) more powerful than the computers we used to go to the moon.

[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago

M$ doing work for Linux's case

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Invasive-ass Clippy bullshit profiteering from genocide and forcing itself on the world against everyone's consent, Gates must be rolling in his grave

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Gates must be rolling in his grave

Eh?

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My fellow Canadian! Sorry, I was speaking from the future.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ssshhh! Don't let the Americans know we can do this.

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[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 2 days ago

Doubt microsoft cares much about copilot. It's like bing to them. Just have a foot in that boat.

[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I have a copilot license through my work and it's so useless.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago

and our manager sounded so proud to announce it. I just don't use it, but lowered my standards instead. If they want us to use more ai, then ai quality work is what they're going to get. It has indirectly made my job easier by helping me give less of a fuck.

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[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

Good. Hopefully we'll see that bear out with all these other useless ai integrations

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