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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think the problem of left unity is a symptom capitalism. Models of anarchism, communism, and socialism have wildly differing systems of social relations, organizing, governance, economics, etc. Even the sub-models in each of these categories have vast differences. But in our political discourse they're all compressed into the same box of the "left", because our prevailing system so dominates the narrative that these other systems are all erroneously viewed through a lens that presumes private property and redistribution of wealth vs no redistribution of wealth as the dividing line. Nevermind the hypocrisy of "redistribution of wealth," as corporations are speedrunning to unjustly pump virtually all forms of wealth into their coffers.

I remember when I was young and dumb and finding myself fascinated by the Venus Project and Zeitgeist Movement. The basic idea seemed so elegant and promising to me: we can use technology to solve our problems, to use technological progress to obsolete scarcity itself!. I tried to chat with people about it, and on more than one occasion somebody would just shut the conversation down with, "But that's socialism." That was the first time I realized something was very broken in our discourse, because it was like, yeah kind of technically, but it's also something very different from what we normally think of what socialism is.

That's kind of what a lot of these labels are, ultimately. Thought stopping cliches.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Marxism-Leninism explicitly calls on using technology to eliminate scarcity. That's what collectivized agriculture and mass electrification were for. Along the development pathway the leadership sort of forgot this because they ran into a lot of problems (not the least of which was an incredible amount of hostility from the capitalist powers).

In my view Zeitgeist was just an update on The State and Revolution, but somehow without the armed overthrow of the government. Like technology will somehow allow us to surpass our class antagonisms and ingrained social structures (eapecially militarism) without toppling the ruling elite. I think it turned out to be a naive view unfortunately.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Fuck leftist unity, if leftist unity means sacrificing the revolution for some some tyrant to twist class consciousness into a "dictatorship of the proletariat" im not playing along.

DEATH TO REACTION, DEATH TO DECEIT, DEATH TO TYRANNY

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 days ago

Left unity is a lie to use anarchist labor into making their own graves when the state-based socialists get into power.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The People's Front of Judea vs the Fucking Judean People's Front

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Anarchists have different goals than communists and use different means/strategies to achieve those goals while using different modes of organization. Just hating capitalism is not enough of a basis to just gloss over those things.

Apart from certain instances when the goals align like antifascist action, international solidarity or support of prisoners, why would working together / doing unity actually be beneficial to achieving anarchist goals?

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Many communists would be ideologically open to working with Food Not Bombs. Many anarchists would work with a communist organization to promote universal healthcare.

I don't consider myself an anarchist, but in my personal experience, I see more anarchists practicing praxis. As a noob leftist, I'm going to see who is contributing to my community and help them out.

I suppose these are the "certain instances" you mentioned, but I feel like there are enough of these to comprise all the activism I personally am capable of. I'm studying theory. I listen when people talk about goals and how to restructure society, but I'll be happy if we can pass socialized medicine in my lifetime. We can worry about "after the revolution" when we come to it.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 25 points 6 days ago

This thread:

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 13 points 6 days ago

This meme is from a movie based on the Kangoroo Chronicles books. Atleast the original german versions are quite funny

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

When I was an anarchist during the Bush years I remember telling an exceptionally crunchy gutterpunk they could use a shower. They accused me of being a Nazi telling them I wanted them to go to the gas chambers. They were then in a grant writing class I took the following summer.

I see this kind of dynamic playing out quite often in online debates about leftism.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Not true. The left are always fighting. Always disagreeing methods. If the left would be one strong front we would actually achieve something and fight nazis better.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The problem is trying to group vastly different ideologies such as Marxism and anarchy as one "left". You can't reduce political/social ideologies to a one-dimensional slider. Maybe if you project them on an axis that represents some "issue" they might fall close to each other, but they can also be at the opposite ends depending on how you choose that axis.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Marx was pretty anarchist compared to most people these days who call themselves marxists.

[–] scintilla@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago

Most people who call themselves Marxists haven't read more than quotes of his work.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Tankies are not that honest.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I wish it was this but instead its constant infighting. Btw im a socdem(socialist if tou stretch the definition), tear me apart lol

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Sure, this guy thinks socdems are socialists, everyone point and laugh!

(It's not your fault that all the other liberals bully and gaslight you, we accept you as the only good kind of liberal ❤️)

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

we accept you as the only good kind of liberal

Speak for yourself only.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

we accept you as the only good kind of liberal ❤️

Good enough for me as another socdem 😂

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[–] within_epsilon@beehaw.org 10 points 6 days ago

I was a socdem once. My elders told me I would move right when I paid taxes. Now, I'm "friends" with a kangaroo until the revolution or something. From what I understand, the kangaroo believes in a classful, stateful communism.

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