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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by MDFL@programming.dev to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

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EDIT: I didn't realize the anger this would bring out of people. It was supposed to be a funny meme based on recent real-life situations I've encountered, not an attack on the EU.

I appreciate the effort of the EU cookie laws. The practice of them just doesn't live up to the theory of the law. Shady companies are always going to find a way to be shady.

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[+] Pigeon@programming.dev 328 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 118 points 10 months ago

IIRC the EU also ruled that burying the rejection options under additional links counts as a violation. Hence why Google now has a Reject button next to the accept button. Most sites still do that.

[-] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 10 months ago

Do you know if there is a EU-wide place to report such behavior?

The biggest privately owned TV channel in my country not only does that, but actually just redirects you to a pdf file if you want to "manage cookies". And it's not like I can submit a complaint on a national level, as the ruling party's website uses google analytics without a cookie notice at all.

[-] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 29 points 10 months ago

I think you report to your nation's Data Protection Centre, each member has their own that takes the reports. If I was still in the EU I would have put more time into finding out how reports work.

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[-] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 30 points 10 months ago

They're still widely used for some (illegal) reason

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Because they rest safe in the knowledge that you rarely if ever get taken to court for it. There are millions of web pages, it needs people to take action to do something about it, and just clicking "Yes all of them" to access the content you were just trying to get to is a far better solution in most situations than hiring a lawyer and investing a few years of legal proceedings, nevermind the money.

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[-] Sysosmaster@infosec.pub 20 points 10 months ago

even worse offenders are the ones with tick boxes for "Legitimate Interest", since legitimate interest is another grounds for processing (just ads freely given consent is one), the fact you got a "tick" box for it makes it NOT legitimate interest within the confines of the GDPR.

it also doesn't matter what technology you use whether its cookies / urls / images / local storage / spy satellites. its solely about how you use the data..

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

why are the EU the only people that bother to actually govern in a modern and helpful way

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[-] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 195 points 10 months ago

Any website that does that I just close the tab.

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[-] Scoopta@programming.dev 161 points 10 months ago

I refuse to go to sites that do this, I also refuse to go to sites that block adblock...and specially the sites that detect and block private browsing, that one shouldn't even be a thing

[-] Zikeji@programming.dev 45 points 10 months ago

Sites that block adblock - I have network based filtering I'm not going to take the time to specifically figure out what ad providers you're using (which is probably that same as everyone else) just to unblock your shitty site.

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[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

The fun part is that websites that do this are illegal in the EU

They need to start flexing that 4% revenue / year fines

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[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I don't use adblock, and yet i keep getting "disable adblock to view this" messages, fuck this shit

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[-] hairyballs@programming.dev 13 points 10 months ago

Why the fuck would they prevent private browsing? I use that a lot to be sure the session is closed correctly.

[-] Scoopta@programming.dev 11 points 10 months ago

There's lots of newspaper sites in the US, that do this. They'll be like "wanna use private browsing, make an account, or go visit from normal browsing." Idk why they do it but they do. Apparently there are discrepancies in the way browsers handle persistent storage features between private and non-private browsing that allow for detection

[-] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

https://12ft.io

I use this to deal with paywalled articles.

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[-] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 149 points 10 months ago

Cool. One less website to visit. Not like there is a shortage.

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[-] CanadaPlus 89 points 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure breaking your website with no cookies is against the rules, actually. It's either serve the EU with GDPR-compliance or GTFO entirely.

Yeah, you could still just break the law, but as usual there's a cost to that one way or the other.

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 21 points 10 months ago

this. and honestly I wish more websites followed the "serve under gdpr or don't have a European marker". A random blog once wasn't available in the EU because of GDPR. And you know what? It's better than them violating GDPR and the EU doing nothing.

[-] peter@feddit.uk 17 points 10 months ago

Tons of companies break the cookie law already, but enforcement seems to be rare

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[-] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 75 points 10 months ago

Your meme is funny, but people genuinely use these arguments to be against sensible EU laws, hence the response I imagine.

[-] SloganLessons@kbin.social 61 points 10 months ago

Yeah being unable to open… checks notes local news websites from the US has been a real deal breaker

[-] kubica@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

Sometimes its relieving when you go to do something and you find out that you have already finished, lol.

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[-] genoxidedev1@kbin.social 54 points 10 months ago

That's gotta be quite some website you visited, if it didn't load at all without cookies. As someone from Germany, who mostly rejects every sites cookies, except for the essential ones most of the time, but sometimes outright rejects all cookies, I've never encountered a website that refused to load upon doing that.

Not defending any webpages that do do that, just contributing my personal experience.

Also: this for chrome or this for fiefrerfx

[-] Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz 16 points 10 months ago

Also from Germany. Some american news and media sites do that.

[-] PopularUsername 11 points 10 months ago

I've seen Italian sites that will put up a pay wall if you refuse the cookies.

[-] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://www.oekotest.de/

https://www.pcwelt.de/

https://www.saechsische.de/

https://www.wetter.com/

All don't offer cookie rejection.

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[-] hdnsmbt@feddit.de 51 points 10 months ago

That's fine. People who don't care about cookies will accept them anyway and those who do care about cookies will know not to visit that site anymore.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 38 points 10 months ago

I feel like people would have responded to this meme better if you didn't depict the European Union as an NPC

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[-] drkt@feddit.dk 38 points 10 months ago

Oh boo I can't visit American propaganda websites what a loss to my European life style

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[-] glad_cat 35 points 10 months ago

So far I’ve only seen small US newspaper who did this. Is anyone angry about this?

[-] Oddbin@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

There's a medical website that appears in top searches (forget the name) that does it too but yeah, mostly seems to be news websites but not the big ones. In most cases Unlock Origin or the like can hide the panel they throw up to choose if you really need the info or archive or 12ft ladder can get you the info.

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[-] DeriHunter@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Serious question: I know that there are tracking cookies and the user should be able to decline those,but most sites have an auth cookie that stores you're credentials. The devs can store it in a different place like local storage but thats really unsecured.what can the devs do in this situation when the user decline all cookies?

[-] GuroGuru@lemmynsfw.com 44 points 10 months ago

The EU is not stupid. They categorized cookies into the necessary ones for site-usage and those that aren't. So developers just categorize their session cookie (rightfully) as necessary and that's it.

[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 39 points 10 months ago

Cookies that are crucial for the functioning of the website cannot be disabled by the user.

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[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 34 points 10 months ago

The eu rules are mostly about unnecessary cookies. Most web devs just copied whatever everyone else was doing and now there's this standard of having to accept cookies but the EU doesn't really enforce it like that

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[-] gamey@feddit.rocks 22 points 10 months ago

I generally agree with the statment under that image and it's certainly a funny meme but also Illegal, sadly the enforcment is a joke but that's not really the laws fault!

[-] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 10 months ago

Nearly all of these are illegal, but sadly there is little enforcement when it comes to this. (Tracking must be opt-in, not opt-out. Ignoring a banner must be interpreted as declining. Opting out must be a simple option, not navigating a complex and misleading menus. The users choice applies to any form of tracking, not just cookies...)