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Peersuite p2p encrypted discord alternative (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by jerrimu@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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Hey everyone.

I make Peersuite, an opensource free communication platform.

It's private by default, there's no sign-in or email collection.

It's peer-to-peer, there's no server, after discovery you are connected directly to your friends my AES-GCN encrypted WebRTC channels. It forms a mesh and identifies superpeers. Because there is no server, in order to save your data between sessions, you can download your workspace into a password encrypted file. Happy to answer any questions.

FEATURES: chat with images, PMs, channels, and file send group audio/video calling screensharing kanban board whiteboard for diagrams/flowchartswith PNG export collaborative document editing with formatted PDF export

The best way for self hosting is docker, its on dockerhub as openconstruct/peersuite. You can also download desktop versions from the github or use on the web at https://peersuite.space/

github - https://github.com/openconstruct/Peersuite

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 39 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

This space definitely needs competition

I like Matrix, but I do run into issues, like messages not being decrypted even though I verified my session. The average user is not ready for it. Or rather, it's not ready for the average user

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

EVERYTHING is encrypted in peersuite, it's mandatory. I tried to make the UI intuitive and simple, but IDK if I'm great at it.

[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

but IDK if I'm great at it.

Simples is best, hands down. Maybe some tooltips wouldn't go amiss on your demo page?

But as someone else pointed out, a link to the GitHub either in the header or footer of your demo page would be ace too. It was the first thing I looked for this morning seeing your posts and had to come back to the comments to find it 🙈

Keep up the great work, and I shared between our nerd group and they have eyeballs on it. Seems a no brainer for teams collaborating online where we've got used of shitty Slack 🤢 Dicksword whatever.

ninjaedit: if you want some help Android app wise, give us a ping. I have a few bored devs lurking looking for app ideas ;)

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I think I'm going to go the route of buildind a PWA first then using bubblewrap to generate an APK. I tried capacitor, but audio/video didn't work, it has meh WebRTC support.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed. Also Discord users complain matrix isnt really a replacement because voice UX

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

A couple of questions. If I was trying to keep a consistent workspace to build a community around, would it be persistent after the host logs off, and are their tools to protect it from trolls etc who discover it a workspace?

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It would not be persistent. You can download a workspace to an encrypted file. I have plans to make a node.js server for workspace permanence.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you! I'll be watching with great interest! Lots of potential :)

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

They would have to guess the roomcode and password, it's pretty difficult to brute-force.

I'm planning some sort of auth system, but not sure how I wanna do it yet.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That sounds pretty cool! You have listed a lot of great privacy features. I'm sure you know they will likely restrict adoption, because Grandma probably won't be able to figure it out.

It does look neat and I will give it a try.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Hopefully gramma will figure it out, I'm a grandparent and I made it lol.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I tried to make it super easy, but I'm not a UI guru or anything.

[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

AES-GCN

Galois/Counter Node?

Also, why didn't you drop a repository link? https://github.com/openconstruct/Peersuite - is it the one?

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Yes it is, and I will add it, somehow I thought I did.

[–] Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@jerrimu A usability suggestion, having just tried it out - save the username and room password in the export file to make it more like a traditional chat experience. So when you import the chat file, the username and password are pre-populated along with the room name.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a really good idea! Now in the roadmap.

[–] martinb 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I feel like saving the password in the export is a bad idea if security is your thing

[–] Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 3 points 3 weeks ago

@martinb @jerrimu I wrote the initial comment with the idea of saving just the username, but then figured "why not?" for the password. If the password is saved in browser memory (and based how I *think* the app functions, it would have to be), then it wouldn't be much different than saving a password in firefox's password manager (for example). Assuming reasonable crypto usage by the app, of course.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The export is password encrypted already. I'll see if there's a good way to do it.

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[–] themachine@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Well hell I may stand this up tonight. My only question is does the voice chat support push-to-talk?

Edit: Ok, gave it a spin. It does not support push-to-talk but being fully browser based I don't think that's a trivial thing to implement anyway.

That said, this is pretty sweet though certainly still rudimentary. I was really looking forward to the screen sharing but my friend on the other end said the quality and framerate were pretty bad. Not sure what flexibility there is as far as adjustable bit rate and framerate with what you're doing but I'll definitely be keeping my eye on this project.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Push to talk is in testing now. WebRTC changes quality automatically based on bandwidth. Its usually really good. It runs at full quality in testing ( i have like 6 devices I hook up and test). If you guys normally have a good connection, try again?

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[–] surfrock66@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I have been exploring self-hosted Discord alternatives and had been looking at Rocket Chat, so I am wondering what is the pitch for this versus something like that? I am very early in my exploration, of course.

[–] kevin2107@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

P2p

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

yes peer to peer

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Rocket chat needs a server, and doesn't e2e encrypt by default are this biggest differences.

[–] surfrock66@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok, understood. So if you're not online, you pretty much lose messages, or are they cached and the next time the sender is online you get them?

My use case is a kid using a minecraft server and wants to talk to his friends, and we're using mumble now, but they want "discord" and they want things like plugins that allow mgmt from the discord channels, which I would be willing to try to develop, but the model pretty much requires a server to be online.

In general, I'm trying to make a small internet for my kids and their friends to have "normal" internet experiences without being on the wider internet. No youtube, but pinchflat -> jellyfin. No discord, but mumble. No google drive, but nextcloud.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

That'as a noble endeavour, IDK if peersuite is the best app for that at the moment.

[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds great! Will mobile clients be impossible due to the p2p nature of it?

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm working on getting an android version up, don't have a mac so I can't make an IOS version. It works great in mobile browsers, I have been testing on mbile during development.

[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Looks interesting. Definitely needs a mobile client to become a viable alternative.

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Working on it, capacitor doesnt work because it's webview doesnt work with WebRTC

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My group recently switched to Matrix and so this would be a tough sell, but it seems interesting. I haven't been a fan of Matrix and miss the ease of UI in discord, but was happy to leave with it's direction. How would you sell it with a small group that has small, but mounting usability issues with Matrix?

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[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have voice calls/group voice calls and streaming already in or in the roadmap?

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Group voice and video are working fine. I've only tested screen share with 3 computers but if works fine also.

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[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

I'm gonna try this when I get time to tinker around since my friend and I are becoming exceedingly weary of Discord for communication. I also hate how bulky and rigid it is in its design.

Edit: Tested it on LAN between my PC and phone; it's easy to get running and works great. Some buttons seem invisible on mobile, like the channels list, so I had a hard time joining the "general" channel upon connecting to the workspace. I want to test it with my friend to see how it works across networks but it seems really promising so far.

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[–] secret300 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

feel-ford-bean-base

pass: poop

workspace code ^^^ for anyone that wants to test it out with me. I don't have friends to do so :(

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can I tick a box in settings to force it to only connect to Tor Onion Services for enhanced privacy?

[–] jerrimu@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Not currently, would love to have it working under tor though.

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