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[–] cowleggies@xcore.social 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”

Lol, Not long ago I was called a right wing conspiracy nut for using that quote.

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[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 28 points 2 years ago

That’s a big nope for me.

Internet goes out? I can still do some amount of work, now I need power and internet to both work to do any work at all.

Not a fan of this and I will not embrace it.

[–] DEADBEEF@beehaw.org 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Oh my God, they're bringing back clippy.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That means a whole new market of NFT Clippy Skins can be established.

[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That fixes the main problem with Clippy, which was not using a blockchain.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

"It looks like you're trying to defraud people. Would you like help with that?"

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[–] Osayidan@social.vmdk.ca 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I guess that means more people switching to linux, assuming they eventually 100% phase out non-cloud. Not even because "cloud bad" - there will be some of that, but because of the sheer number of people who don't pay for windows, not paying for it isn't an option if they control it completely.

[–] lupec@lemmy.lpcha.im 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup, that'd also be the case for people like me who stick with Windows for gaming compatibility/convenience reasons and critical GPU features the Linux drivers just don't implement (looking at you, DLDSR). That, or just anyone with a GPU, I suppose, assuming the hardware market would look remotely like it does nowadays by then.

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[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and I want to move fully off of windows, what a coincidence.

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The situation has never been better for comfortably abandoning Windows. Come to Linux, we have penguins

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[–] vracker@reddthat.com 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Didn't read the article.

The idea of online only software irritates me. Of course multiplayer games have to work this way. When blizzard and Ubisoft started requiring an active connection for single player games that was just going too far.

Can you imagine sitting at your computer, doing literally anything. The screen goes strait to blue with the windows shutting down screen saying, "Internet disrupted, please contact your provider for support".

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

Or trying to do any work on the go? This whole idea is just idiotic to me.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They will have to continue to offer some kind of offline option it seems, for people with flaky internet connections.

[–] towerful@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Never mind flaky internet, what about people that do events?

Things like PowerPoint presentation machines, VJ systems, video servers (for massive multiscreen playback).
You can't go into a field for a festival and expect reliable internet.
You can't go into a theatre and expect reliable internet, especially when 3k+ people turn up.
There are a few systems that run OSX, but Apple's hardware doesn't give you as much control as something like an Nvidia Quadro with sync cards. 99% of the big shows will be ran from Windows OS

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[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago

No thank you.

Also I bet instead of a one-time license you can have the privilege of paying $9.99 a month forever or lose access to all your files. And possibly requiring an internet connection to use your desktop computer?

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay but what happens if you don't have a good net connection like at the coffee shop or airports? I swear sometimes people are clueless and just assume you always have good internet when that's not often the case!

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

Don't worry, you'll be able to purchase super duper satellite internet from microsoft. Or something.

[–] iax@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Are we doing the nobody reads the article thing here too? This isn't a replacement for Windows as an operating system, it's a cloud based version of the OS being sold to consumers. They're trying to compete with inexpensive Chromebooks, not take away your PC.

[–] abir_vandergriff@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

As an occasional sys admin, they've had stuff like this for enterprise forever, it's just self hosted. This is about as surprising as the sun coming up, they've been moving lots of their enterprise tech to consumer subscriptions.

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[–] circuitfarmer 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Google tried that.

Anyway, I'll stick with Linux.

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[–] death916@lemmy.death916.xyz 12 points 2 years ago

Ya I'd be fully Linux after that. Still too many benefits of having your own hardware.

[–] NotBadAndYou@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Well of course they do. They want to turn an every-few-years OS purchase into a monthly subscription fee, like they did with O365. And eventually they'll drop the ability to install apps except through their store (under the guise of providing "safety" from malicious apps), so that they can collect a commission on the third party software sales market as well.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's depressing to see. Unfortunately I'm heavily invested in music software which is not available on Linux. If Microsoft actually does this it could get to the point where even a switch to Apple seems better. But Linux is the only satisfactory and viable solution for actually having control of your machine.

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[–] BioDriver@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago

As someone who works in cloud services/ops and has to deal with Microsoft partner relations almost daily, good luck with that.

[–] bbtai@beehaw.org 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm kind of confused...if the plan is to move Windows fully to the cloud, why are they talking to chipmakers about enabling more Windows features in future chip releases? Why would you need processing power for the OS if the OS is fully on the cloud?

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[–] iuseit@iusearchlinux.fyi 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Haha that will be the year of the Linux desktop, in many ways

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[–] Dusty@l.dustybeer.com 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How is this supposed to work in countries that have bandwidth caps, or slow internet connections?

It seems like every company these days wants to move everything to the cloud, but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. While something like this makes sense in some instances (like kiosks or similar maybe?) for the vast majority of use cases this is a non-starter.

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[–] Stiltonfondu@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Good luck to them. I’ve been very much enjoying Fedora since Windows 11 came out.

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[–] Dee_Imaginarium@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I don't really want to switch to Linux, Microsoft, please stop pushing me to. I will, but I'd rather not. Ffs.

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Come over, it's nice here!

[–] Dee_Imaginarium@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I tried it in the past, admittedly a long time ago, and it just wasn't great for my workflows.

I use Adobe products for the time being because the other available software doesn't have the features I need quite yet. They're getting closer year by year and I could see switching being way easier once they get more feature rich. But for right now I still need Windows for my creative programs.

[–] SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Ah, that's unfortunate. Doesn't Adobe still offer their tools on Mac? Not as good as Linux for me, but better than Windows.

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[–] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Assuming this will use OpenAI API like other Microsoft's AI products, this is going to be expensive to operate. Subsidizing it indefinitely is surely not an option. How would Microsoft monetize it? By charging subscription like GitHub Copilot, or monetizing it somehow using users data they collected? I assume it would be the latter.

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[–] techie@techy.news 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Microsoft has a track record of having excellent uptime! /s

I find it somewhat funny that this article came out on the day Microsoft 365 had an outage for most of the day.

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

I want to move Windows fully to the Recycle Bin.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

Of course they want to get as many people as possible to pay a monthly fee to use their cloud system. I'm sure they won't be going cloud only anytime soon, but they will keep making each new windows version worse than the previous one.

They won't get a single cent from me. I've been running Linux for the last 15 years. Wine, DXVK, and Proton keep getting better and I can run all of my games in Linux now.

[–] Satiric_Weasel@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Was already considering running Linux on my next machine. That just made it a definite. Is Mintos still the best choice for an everyday desktop?

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[–] staticlifetime@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just another case of "you will own nothing...". Come on over to Linux, where the ISOs are plentiful.

[–] sculd@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Might finally convince me to move fully to Linux.....

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[–] Illustrious_Luck5514@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

What a terrible fucking idea

[–] tackshooter@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just another move toward " you will own nothing and you will be happy". Gotta resist the botnet people, Free software anarchy ftw!

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[–] flakusha@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Typical loop in this case:

  • Oh, M$ is so disgusting, I never gonna switch to the new platform!

In a few months/years

  • Well, my apps/hardware are not working, time to switch anyway. Not because it's not working anymore, but because the platform is mature and I actually like it.
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[–] DiagnosedADHD@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I switched to Linux a long time ago, it's only getting better and better. After valve started making serious investments in the ecosystem it has only gotten better for desktop usage and it simply 'works' in ways that even windows struggles with, ie: ps4 controllers/switch controllers work ootb, gamescope allows significantly more control over how games are rendered and offers a true console-like experience combined with big picture UI.

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[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

That’s a big nope for me.

Internet goes out? I can still do some amount of work, now I need power and internet to both work to do any work at all.

Not a fan of this and I will not embrace it.

[–] alansuspect@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This seems odd to me, I've dabbled with Linux before but I'm generally a macos guy where the os is the free bit. Charging for an os is outdated surely?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only difference historically is that with Mac you always pay for the OS when you pay for the computer, whereas this is usually but not always the case with Windows for home users. But all software companies are realizing that subscription models effectively hold people's files to ransom and force them to pay way more than they would for a permanent licence, and Microsoft is getting in on that.

With desktop Linux improving all the time, anyone who doesn't need Windows-specific software is better off with that.

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