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matrix. it's not perfect, but it's the least shit option i've found so far. in the poorly paraphrased words of bjarne stroustrup, "there are only two kinds of chat protocols: the ones people complain about, and the ones nobody uses"
What do I use the most or what do people use the most? I use Matrix the most as most of my friends are on it (+ have it bridged with some chats that aren't on Matrix). Then after that SimpleX. I don't know what the most popular encrypted messengers among the general population, except for the ones you listed, are.
Matrix, Briar, SimpleX, Threema
I wish I could use Matrix on my phone without it eating my battery 🫤
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I can't even get my social circle to switch from WhatsApp to Signal, let alone anything else. I use Conversations, a feature rich XMPP client for select stuff.
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XMPP with OMEMO?
I have tried them all, I just use XMPP through Cheogram (mobile) and Movim (desktop in browser) now. I have had success getting my contacts to switch since I never bugged them about any other messengers before. Plus I am willing to follow through with ultimatums of abandonment and they are well aware of that.
If you have any actually normal friends (no offense) you're going to have to use the regular phone network. XMPP has the best phone network gateway, I've bought like five Soprani.ca numbers. No it doesn't encrypt the regular phone network.
Delta/Arcane Chat is cool but due to everyone basically being an admin-level user in the chat, I strictly use it as a home base for real homies. I mainly use it to run one gajillion bots, check my emails, run Mastodon/Misskey fork accounts in one location, and send stuff/WebXDC apps to myself.
You can't seriously replace the social media monopolies or the phone network yet. I even run some Telegrams (don't make fun of me) and control them with the Delta Chat bot. People just need to get used to "backing up" their social graph with secure options, and not just saying whatever pops into their head outside them
Me? XMPP.
Most used? Depends in what circles. Telegram is popular in some. SimpleX and Session in others. XMPP in free software circles. Matrix in others.
Telegram should not be considered an encrypted solution, due to the opt-in nature of their encryption. The owner regularly collaborates with law enforcement, as well.
Matrix/Element :)
I may not know much about software development & programming itself however, I feel like I did my part here.
+1 for Linux folks.
Awesome! Thank you for that!
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Matrix is the only one I actually use other than the rest.
There is also XMPP, SimpleX, Threema, Briar, cwtch, Tox, and Delta Chat.
Wrong, WhatsApp and iMessage fail to include a libre software license text file. We do not control them, anti-libre software. They ban us from fixing backdoors. Stop repeating their scam.
??? What does that have to do with what OP asked
Encrypted? Not for us when we do not control it.
OP never claimed the encryption of WA and iMessage "work for us". They just said they were encrypted. That's a neutral statement.
They think OP gonna spell it all out, like we got no brain.
what do you mean by "spell"? what do you mean by "brain"?
You should know what a brain is used for.
brain
i need it spelled out
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with signal?
- Requires a phone number
- Depends on Big Tech's servers
- Got founded by the US government
- Seems to absolutely love Big Tech because they hide the APK download page quite well[1]
- It's centralized
I use my own Snikket server to communicate with people using OMEMO (Signal Protocol). No phone number requirements, no centralized server, no Big Tech, just you and the people you write with, with your privacy fully intact. Just like in the good old days (as it should be to this days, greedy f*****s).
[1]: signal.org/download > Android redirects you to Google Play Store. signal.org/download/android > Download for Android redirects you to Google Play Store. signal.org/install redirects you to Google Play Store. You'll search "forever" to find the "download APK file" link until you give up and using a search engine: "signal apk".
Not until then you'll find signal.org/android/apk. And when you visit that page, a link to Google Play Store is listed on top, and below it, in the "danger zone", you'll find the APK download button. Yes, exactly, the Signal team wants you to be on the "safe zone" by downloading the app through Google Play Store.
"focus on privacy" my ass. Close to forcing someone to use Big Tech shitty stuff is NOT focus on privacy.
Sorry, rant is over. Now breakfast time.
Thanks for the info! All good points. I'll keep snikket bookmarked for when I'm more competent in my server/self-hosting abilities and revisit how I chat.
What is the difference with xmmp , conversations , prosody?
XMPP is the universal standard when it comes to chat servers. WhatsApp is using it, just to name 1 example.
Conversations is a client for XMPP servers.
And to add to all of that the user experience is bad.
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Wire.
Besides your list? Matrix via element or elementX. I've been test driving arcane chat, which is decent enough, but too new to be widely used enough to really say much.
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