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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 156 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

Religious Texts: .. that text was written by some half literate guy living in a desert who heard tenth hand folk stories from his community from people who had died about a hundred years before his time, mixed in with legends, myths and fairy tales that are thousands of years old ... but it's all true because it came from God, believe it or you will burn in hell forever.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Also rewritten, heavily translated with a large variety of biases, and with whole sections taken out or added in depending on the version AND there has been lord knows how many instances of stacking errors because new interpretations often come from already dubious later versions and not the original texts.

But it’s also all the undeniably word of god and you better not question whatever version you grew up with.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 99 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You, a loser Christian, reading from a 2000 year old book of morality fables.

Me, a sophisticated Scientologist, reading from a 70 year old Sci-Fi/fad health trilogy.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Maybe L. Ron Hubbard was a time traveller that had already started everything 3,000 years ago and decided to restart it all again 70 years ago.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Or maybe he just copied the successful indoctrination practices of existing religions...

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The hypocrisy of any religious book being the words of their all powerful master while they give themselves the option to cherry pick which rules they wish to follow is astounding.

It’s one of the first things that convinced kid me that it’s all made up bullshit to control gullible people.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The funny part that is .... which book are you talking about? ... Christian bible? Jewish Tanakh? Islamic Koran? ... and if its Christian - is it just the Old Testament? New Testament? ... which version of the Christian bible? - King James? New Standard? English Standard? Anglican? Baptist? Lutheran? Methodist? Presbyterian? Roman Catholic? Mormon? Protestant?

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don’t see any difference between cults. It’s all a way to control uneducated people with fake magical thinking and the threat of eternal damnation.

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[–] pelya@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Electron was discovered in 1897. If you own a textbook on chemistry which is older than that, put it up on Ebay in the antiques category.

[–] four@lemmy.zip 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Newton lived in the 17th century, so if you got a textbook older than that give it back to the museum

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[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 81 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Web development: Oh, that textbook is obsolete. It was written last year before Angular v18 was released.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago

*French SpongeBob voice

"2 hours later"

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Laughs in PHP + HTML5 + CSS3 + Vanilla JS

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Programming: that book was printed a month ago, and it's already obsolete.

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[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But math does change, and it has a lot in the last 1000 years.

[–] wsheldon@lemm.ee 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Math doesn't change, we just learn more about it.

The mathematical knowledge we had thousands of years ago is still true, and it always will be.

[–] jonathan7luke@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Math doesn't change, we just learn more about it.

Isn't that true of almost all the sciences?

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 47 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The difference is that if something is proven mathematically it's 100% certain and will not change. In other sciences you may be taught things that later turn out to be flat out wrong.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bingo, I was taught in genetics class in the 1990s that RNA played a role but DNA was the primary driver and now my understanding is the current consensus is RNA is the primary driver.

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Not quite. Science is empirical, which means it's based on experiments and we can observe patterns and try to make sense of them. We can learn that a pattern or our understanding of it is wrong.

Math is inductive, which means that we have a starting point and we expand out from there using rules. It's not experimental, and conclusions don't change.
1+1 is always 2. What happens to math is that we uncover new ways of thinking about things that change the rules or underlying assumptions. 1+1 is 10 in base 2. Now we have a new, deeper truth about the relationship between bases and what "two" means.

Science is much more approximate. The geocentric model fit, and then new data made it not fit and the model changed. Same for heliocentrism, Galileos models, Keplers, and Newtons. They weren't wrong, they were just discovered to not fit observed reality as well as something else.

A scientific discovery can shift our understanding of the world radically and call other models into question.
A mathematical discovery doesn't do that. It might make something more clear, easier to work with, or provide a technique that can be surprisingly applicable elsewhere.

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[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Has anything changed in Euclid's Elements?

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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh that book is outdated. That's the second edition, you need the third addition to complete the one math problem I am basing your entire grade on for the course.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

"Why yes I do happen to also be the author of the textbook for this course, why do you ask?"

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Computer programming books ... Lol we don't print them any more, they'd be obsolete before hitting the shelves.

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[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Computer Science:

Oh, that textbook is outdated. That was before NodeJS 22.

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or: The new version is reimplemented and incompatible, so everything you learnt about it from the previous versions is wrong.

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[–] Quatlicopatlix@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago

For me its like "oh great a old textbook, now i can finally understand our legacy codebase".

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Mathematics ^teacher^: That textbook was written thousands of years ago, and it is still as useful and relevant as ever, but I want you to buy this one I co-authored instead for the mere sum of $120, otherwise you won't pass.

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[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Theres a lovely scene in Star Trek where Picard is captured, then finds an exposed wire on the cell panel. He takes it and begins tapping out prime numbers, to show to the aliens’ mathematicians that they’re sentient and capable of thought, independent of language.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Software Development: You bought a textbook?

[–] match@pawb.social 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"Oh, that blog post is obsolete. It was written before version 1.87.0d.20250304.nightly"

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"It's okay, I'll just ask ChatGPT."

Asks ChatGPT about new feature.

ChatGPT makes up a completely fictional answer that sounds plausible given the state of the repository two years ago.

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[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago

On the other hand, physicists like to say physics is to math as sex is to masturbation.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As a kid I thought Pythagoras was silly for making a math cult. Now that I'm older I get it.

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[–] some_guy 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I love that Eratosthenes was able to estimate the circumference of the earth with the amount of math we had in his era. Meanwhile, modern flat-earthers are still making me want to vomit.

I used to see fractals in the shadows on LSD. I couldn’t think of the word “fractal,” and told my friend, “You know, that thing in math?” And he said to me, “When you trip you see math?!” Fun times. To be a teen again.

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[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wrong for physics. Models to describe reality don't magically become wrong just because a model with better predictive power is discovered. Most old models are special cases of newer ones.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

My favorite way to connect people with academia is pointing out how recently zero was invented because even the most reluctant “I don’t know math” person understands zero these days.

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[–] Morganica@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Math is a thought game with axioms as rules. It’s much more stable since the rules are “self-evident”.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fuck you professor, its a 35 line proof, and it isn't as trivial as you think it is!

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[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

That $300 stack of the cheapest thin paper was last semester. The online code you need for class is void, and the questions won't match the answer key.

[–] muzzle@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Physics books are never outdated, you just discover better models that work in a wider range of conditions.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The really funny part is the other two are also just math.

The fabric of reality is woven from math, and that's beautiful.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've got a pet theory that a hypothetical alien species' music would be more recognizably similar to humans' than their biology would.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 1 week ago

Science is validated by the new information replacing the old. Al-Khwarizmi worked out numbers so we don’t have to,

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