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[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 106 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

"what did students do before chatgpt?"

Is this supposed to be an actual quote? Like, someone said this unironically?

[–] JayGray91@piefed.social 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"what did students do before smartphones/tablets?"
"what did students do before laptops?"
"what did students do before the internet?"

it's not at all weird to me that this could have been uttered fully seriously.

Edit: only difference are those other technologies still requires critical thinking and won't magically write your assignments. Unless plagiarized.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Grew up before the internet.

One thing I have come to realize is how much of history I learned passively from movies and comic books. The first time I saw Edgar Allan Poe was in an The Atom comic, and Julius Cesar was in a cartoon. Pretty much everyone I knew first hear classical music when they played it behind Bugs Bunny.

These days, there's a tiny handful of historically based shows and movies compared to earlier times.

[–] grissino@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

'... and Julius Cesar was in a cartoon.'

Asterix taught me a lot of history too 😁

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[–] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

I have no doubt about it...

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 91 points 1 week ago (6 children)

We haven't had LLMs that long. Are people seriously already forgetting the concept of learning skills?

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago

Since computers became common, it's seemed like an increasing number of people don't know how to, and don't think they should have to, learn skills.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 week ago

Nah, people have been cheating and faking it forever.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It makes the dumb even dumber. In 10 years we will see the effect of it, just like ipad babies.

[–] khornechips@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hate to be that guy, but you’re looking for effect here. You’re describing the effect (end result) of a change, not the affect (change) itself.

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 week ago

In the U.S., the issue is that our education system is already fundamentally broken and doing a terrible job of teaching kids. Adding LLMs to that is like striking a match in the tinderbox.

[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I teach collegiate intro programming classes, I can say it definitely seems that way. My office hours will be an absolute ghost town, nobody has any questions for me in class, and then when a project is due about 1/3 of the submissions are AI slop.

I know cheating has always been rampant, but I've never seen it this bad before.

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[–] JayGray91@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago

at least it took a bit more effort than just a prompt or two.

lucky if your search terms just bring up someone else's work I suppose lol

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 86 points 1 week ago (8 children)

we used to do this thing called "learning".

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's called git gudding now.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 53 points 1 week ago (8 children)

My nephew wants to be instantly good at things and it drives me crazy. He'll roll his eyes and say "of course you're going to make that shot (in billiards) or get frustrated that's he's not amazing without practicing in martial arts, video games, golf, fitness, etc. I'm sure he'll grow out of it, but in the meantime he won't work at it or accept instruction. I'm like "yeah dude, I've done this thousands of times. Let me help you!"

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Teach him to fail. Those kids are afraid of failing because somewhere in life someone traumatized them so they don't like to ever fail at anything.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 12 points 1 week ago

I'm his uncle. Of course he's familiar with failure!

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

*teach him to grow from failure

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago (6 children)

My youngest (now 27) has a bit of a problem with that. The issue is that he's smart and most things always came easy to him. He'd do those giant writing assignments the night before that are supposed to be worked on for weeks and still get the high grade. Hardly ever seemed to study, but got solid A's. But when something comes along that he's not automatically good at, he gets super frustrated. He wanted to learn the guitar in high school (I play a little), so we bought him one and some basic instruction, but he hated it because it didn't come naturally. It's a decoration on his wall.

I will give him this though: he decided a few years back that he wanted to learn to draw, and that didn't come naturally, but he's continued to work at it and has gotten pretty decent. So it's something a person can get past.

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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." - Bruce Lee

Edit, in the same spirit: "The difference between a novice and a master is that the master has failed more times than the novice has even tried." - No idea who

Follow me for more Karate Kid-level inspirational quotes.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

It's not snide to say "skills are developed with practise". You want to de-skill by letting an idiot machine say wrong stuff while you rot? Go ahead.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Can confirm, in college I mostly partied and screwed around, but thanks to years of practice at procrastination I had by then developed the skill of throwing anything together at the last minute. So I could go to the library after dinner the night before a paper was due, find the right shelf, grab a handful of books and write a rough draft of an essay in couple hours. Back in the dorm by 10pm, I would make some edits, type it up (this was in the typewriter era), and turn it in on time for at least a B. But like I said, this was after years of putting off assignments in elementary and high school. Turns out this is an extremely valuable skill in office environments, where due to poor planning there's frequently some crisis that has to be solved ASAFP. People who can come through with decent work under completely unrealistic deadline pressure become all-stars. LPT: if you're actually doing that and not getting the credit and rewards you deserve, move somewhere else - you've valuable.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People who can come through with decent work under completely unrealistic deadline pressure become all-stars.

I did this for my last company. We were about to lose our biggest client because we (not including me) had agreed to an impossible deadline to deliver a piece of software for them. I spent two weeks basically living at work and we (meaning mostly I) were able to deliver a bare-minimum product on time and keep our contract with the client alive. This kept our company intact long enough for us to be acquired by a major west coast tech giant - at which point I was rewarded with a layoff notice, while my bosses got millions in stock grants. I got a severance which was basically equal to what I would have been eligible to get from unemployment, which meant I didn't get any unemployment but at least I didn't have to pretend to look for work for six months.

I did it with no illusions about what my reward might or might not be. I just don't like being involved in any way with project failures.

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[–] jollyroberts@jolly-piefed.jomandoa.net 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I had a friend in high school who did the hand drawing exercise, it does work. He got really good at drawing hands.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It works for everything. My dad made me tie a thousand knots because my shoelaces kept coming untied and now as an adult I am super in-demand in our local bdsm scene.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That did not go where I thought it would.

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

...everything else looked like shit, but the hands were amazing!

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Using chatgpt to do your school work is like paying/beating up a nerd to do your work for you. You won't learn shit, and there is a chance you'll get in trouble for cheating.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Except, the nerd will probably do the school work correctly.

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[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The best thing about being a human is that you can learn anything you want, to accomplish what you need to. Want to create an app, a framework, but don't know how to code? Guess what, you can learn how to code. Want to write a story or an essay? You can learn how to write. Learning to satiate my curiosity about something; learning something so that I can accomplish something are the best things about my life. That is how I learnt programming. I don't want anything to replace that for me, especially not some shit-generating LLM.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

ChatGPT land this plane with the engine failed for me. ChatGPT do this triple bypass heat surgery for me.

I’m sure that people will come up with excuses why this is different than cheating on an essay, but the point is that if one can’t study for the basic shit then doing the hard shit is going to be even harder. It’s not flipping a switch and saying “ok now I’ll take it all seriously…”. Then again, someone shirking basic work skills is probably destined for a retail middle manager job and not someone headed for radiology.

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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember a comic I read at some point long ago, where power had gone out and a bored kid asks his grandma: "what did you do before TVs existed?" and the grandma says: "we would just sit around and wait for TVs to be invented".

I'm now using that answer everytime I see a "what did you do before ___ was invented?"

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I get the point, but often the answer to "what did you do before ___ was invented?" Is "we suffered and died". Like vaccines for example.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"before tv was invented? Well we went out with other kids, where adults weren't around, and got into trouble. As we got older we started fucking, and drinking, and getting into more serious trouble."

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[–] Zapados@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wait do you mean to tell me that constantly slacking and taking the easy way will make me dumb and lazy?

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