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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works to c/politics@lemmy.world

In a frantic last-minute attempt to derail a trial that threatens to destroy Donald Trump’s corporate empire, the former president’s lawyers have turned the heat on the judge overseeing this case—by suing him directly.

Edit: Unfortunately the tactic worked:

An appellate judge has taken the remarkable step of hitting pause on the New York Attorney General’s upcoming bank fraud trial against Donald Trump—granting the former president’s request in a surprise hearing on Thursday that was closed off to the public.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-turns-new-york-ag-case-against-judge-arthur-f-engoron?ref=wrap

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[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago

Calling it now. This will be the basis of an appeal against the judge for not recusing themselves from the case.

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 101 points 10 months ago

Which will fail hard because if the justice system allowed that to happen then anyone could use it as an means to derail their case.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago

Only if you are rich, white, and male. In that order.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Damn, here I am being a white, male, and ri--

Ah shit.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Sure. But I'm still betting he tries it.

[-] WagesOf@artemis.camp 32 points 10 months ago

There's never any consequences for anything he does. He's been able to do this since the 80s.

If we had a legal system that held the oligarchy to account this would have ended 40 years ago.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago

"Nuh uh, YOU'RE the criminal!"

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

"No criminal, no criminal. You're the criminal!"

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 64 points 10 months ago

If I sued the judge overseeing my court case would I end up in jail or would I also be able to continue attacking the United States of America?

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It depends... Are you subject to the rule of law? You know, the one for the little people.

I used to think that the American justice system was somewhat fair. Turns out it was just propaganda.

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

The fact that 16 Republicans are still free and under no scrutiny by the DOJ yet should tell you everything you need to know:

https://themessenger.com/grid/these-16-republican-congressmembers-helped-trump-try-to-overturn-the-2020-election

At least though, it's a step in the right direction that the trials are moving forward at all, starting with Trump and the set of conspirators.

[-] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

My skin has significant levels of melanin in it, and I do not hit 6 digits in salary. I got a good feeling about this.

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 10 months ago

They may have turned on the heat, but the kidcraft kitchen they're using isn't connected to actual power.

[-] Naminreb@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago
[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The biggest thing that Trump has accomplished so far is to show that the US judicial system is a joke and that all you need is wealth, the appearance of wealth or the wealth of others in order to circumvent the law.

These Trump headlines are stupid at this point.

It doesn't show how dumb, arrogant, or ignorant Trump is ..... they just collectively show how dumb the whole country is to allow all this to keep happening.

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As infuriating as it's been to watch Mango Mussolini avoid consequences since he's been on the national stage, I'm hopeful that's changing. It seems really unlikely Trump's going to avoid convictions on all of the 91 felony counts stacked against him, especially when acquittals in federal cases are extraordinarily rare. In 2022 less than 1% of federal criminal defendants were acquitted.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Much like your username the US is like an old spaghetti western ..... it tried to be THE GOOD, all it gave was THE BAD, now it's just THE UGLY.

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The problem with using such a broad, messy brush is you end up spattering yourself with the same paint you're trying to apply.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

None of what I say is against the American people. I'm Canadian and I know plenty of Americans and almost all the ones I know are decent sensible people ... of course all the ones I know are northerner Americans near the Canadian border, although for some reason I know many Floridians.

The problem I see is the American government. It's governed by money and not by the people which makes you wonder why we keep referring to it as a democracy. Yes we have the same problem here in Canada but to a lesser extent. And no I'm not a far right anti-Trudeau fanatic ... I grudgingly support my Liberal government but I do criticize how they are all so easily influenced by big money.

All these problems stem from big money .... and the more we accept that, the more likely we will see how common people have no say in their government anymore, which leads to the thought of what is happening to these so called democracies.

[-] phx@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

As a fellow Canadian... I think we're at least as bad if not possibly worse than the Americans.

One of the reasons that we're getting fucked so badly on prices here is that the government has allowed so much power of industry to be concentrated into so few hands, and this has only gotten worse over time.

The government - at the behest of industry -literally tried to force tech companies to pay for linking to news articles, despite the fact that those links actually bring business TO said news companies.

The Irving's in eastern Canada are no better than DuPonte or PG&E. There's something seriously dirty going on there.

The Ford's in Ontario, and the current shit-show in Alberta are just as fucked up as any red state.

We're no better than the Americans, just less visible on the world stage as we sit in their shadow.

[-] PaulDevonUK@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago

Noice.

It's nice to sit on the sidelines watching an increasingly desperate and scared Trump.

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

I mean, they won this round. This is an article about a successful move, framed by a bunch of disasters.

But this one, they actually got something.

[-] Cheems@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

That lawyer team did so much coke before coming up with that plan

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 26 points 10 months ago

It was a delaying tactic and it worked. The American justice system is so fucked.

An appellate judge has taken the remarkable step of hitting pause on the New York Attorney General’s upcoming bank fraud trial against Donald Trump—granting the former president’s request in a surprise hearing on Thursday that was closed off to the public.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-turns-new-york-ag-case-against-judge-arthur-f-engoron?ref=wrap

[-] mkhopper@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Can this shitshow please be over? I mean, just when you thought things couldn't get any stranger, another day comes around.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 10 months ago

It's not strange. His whole goal has been to delay. He can't win this, but it seems it will work to delay.

[-] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

I think we really have to make contingency plans for the USAs fall to fascism. All these old guys in congress are selling us out.

Canada is already doing it

[-] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Next he’ll say he’s Donald of Family Trump, not the all-caps corporation DONALD TRUMP on the docket.

[-] AmberPrince@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Oh man I miss the crazy sov-cit stuff. Anyone know of a good community here that'll scratch that itch?

[-] remus989@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

MARITIME LAW!

[-] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago

I’M TRAVELING!!

[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

What a loser.

[-] AnonTwo@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago

Could the lawyers potentially lose their licenses for this?

I can't imagine what Trump is paying for them to go this far.....

[-] WagesOf@artemis.camp 25 points 10 months ago

Lawyers can be disbarred and the whole lot of them, including Trump, and be held in contempt and jailed.

Personal attacks on the members of the court, which this absolutely is, shouldn't be tolerated.

[-] Fixbeat@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for lawyering today.

[-] comedy@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

No, what they're doing is legally acceptable, though obviously a delay tactic. They're suing him in his capacity as a judge, not as an individual.

[-] preciousjewel128@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

But at best its an uphill battle. Judges get immunity from suits just like cops. Otherwise the courts would be bogged down with lawsuits from every case where one side disagrees with a ruling.

[-] comedy@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Of course. It's not a suit in good faith, it's just another delay tactic.

[-] Chozo@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

I can't imagine Trump is paying them, period.

[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

I’d love (and hope) to see this man behind bars but I can’t help but be disheartened by what, to a layman like me, seems like sound legal tactics.

He and his team always know how to leverage the system and kick the can down the road.

[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Wow, how fucking guilty can you be? Does he really think this will help his case??

[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 1 points 10 months ago

No. He's trying to run out the clock until he can be elected again.

[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Life in prison is too good for this fucking shit smear

[-] synae 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's a DARVO!

[-] Hotdogman@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

So, is this the proper use of an uno reverse card?

[-] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

This is the smartest move that anyone has ever smarted before! This will surely make him win bigly and won't backfire on him at all! /s

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Did his legal team get this from an episode of Suits?

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago
[-] Froyn@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

PLEASE let his last ditch defense be nothing but Sovereign Citizen arguments and how the law doesn't apply to him because he denounced his citizenship.

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