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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 103 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This makes sense if cruelty is the point.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cruelty, yes, but let's not forget grift.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

And cognitive dissonance. Gotta redraw those lines in the sand!

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 45 points 10 months ago

It’s never about the cost. It’s always about the hate.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'm very supportive out housing the homeless as a fix, but to be clear math is on a per-day basis, it isn't some sort of long term fix.

I hate these stupid math headlines that don't actually make any sense.

Current deployment costs are around $1.1 million per day, housing all of those people in shelters at $45 per person works out to something like $250,000 per day.

This math calculation entirely ignores the fact that there aren't enough shelters to actually do that.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Would other costs go down over time? Housed people don’t need emergency healthcare nearly as much, and with a permanent address that would open doors to a lot of things.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I can’t believe you would forget the interests of the shareholders here

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a simplistic calculation, but it does seem that often doing the right thing ends up cheaper in the long run. It just doesn't benefit certain groups, so it's not an option. If a million a day was applied to not just pay for sheltering, but to find solutions there wouldn't be a problem to throw authoritative measures at, or use as a reason to tighten security and control. They don't want to fix the problem, it works for them.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

They will happily spend $10, $20, $40, $100 from the working class to put even an extra penny in the hands of the capitalist class

Michael Parenti talking about American empire and it's cost to the workers in the imperial core.

Which is fitting because I believe he also said (or he quoted someone that did)

Fascism is Imperialism turned inwards.

[–] sznowicki@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When communist were forced on Poland by soviets in 1945 one of their tasks for the next decade (that continued until 1980 collapse) was to build houses and give it to people. Other tasks were less nice like killing opposition, but housing was indeed how they decided to spent the resources.

US could start a massive communal housing programm on federal budget. They chose not to.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

We don't even need to build housing. That's the worst part.

We just need to outlaw landlords.

"But no one will purchase our valueable real estate and we lose money by keeping it!"

And what happens when you have a supply of housing that far exceeds demand? Well if it's an actual functioning economy the cost of housing decreases. The ifs are doing a lot of fucking lifting in this idea though.

[–] dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ok what about we increase the budget 4x? We can put each homeless person in hotel for $180 a day. The hotel shareholders would be happy too.

[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nominative determinism strikes again.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 4 points 10 months ago

Trump's deployment of the National Guard to Washington, DC costs more than 4 times as much as it would cost to simply house every homeless person in the city according to researcher Hanna Homestead.

It's a very fitting name for the researcher.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

What a waste.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

countless after countless studies showed UBI will eliminate homelessness and wasteful bureaucracy to keep watch of welfare recipients and cheats

Everyone: Nah, we don't do that here.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Rich people in control of the city, it's businesses and services: nah, we don't do that here.

  • ftfy
[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

People say these facts, but not the base fact that all these facts prove which is that this lifestyle and the narrative created is completely bullshit and we are being farmed. That's our reality but it's so fucked up nobody wants to believe it. Psychological warfare owns the path of society.

[–] some_guy 10 points 10 months ago

Even without the occupation, housing-first costs less.

The End of Policing.

According to Need

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 9 points 10 months ago

Are we great again yet?

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can someone explain to me, seriously…

why is there no one with the authority to deem him unfit to govern, and demand that he step down under duress of consequences? I mean, he is clearly addled and his entire administration is provenly grifting America- Why is no one demanding that he step down?

This seriously is the end of the road for me when it comes to making enough sense of any of this that that at least resembles a modicum of logic and rationality. At this point, I just can’t understand anything beyond why this isn’t a thing, and if it is,

what are they waiting for?

[–] maccam912@programming.dev 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only people with the power to decide he is unfit are all in congress, and playing a "my team vs your team" game. I'm assuming they think they'll look bad or weak or like traitors and are not willing to actually do it, or there are simply two distinct realities people live in, and in one of them he is perfectly fit to do the job.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

There needs to be a contingency. There’s no way we can go on with this. As long as you have the house and the senate, you’re above the law?

Someone needs to step in.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Everyone gave up.

Including myself, I'm moving.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

I envy you. I’m stuck here.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Trump is a moron.

[–] abies_exarchia@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

I think the top 2 comments i see ascribing this to ‘hate’ and ‘cruelty’ are missing the point. This literally is better for the capitalists’ bottom line. This can be entirely attributed to profit. The threat of violence (homelessness, etc) that the working class is kept precipitously close to powers this whole machine. If everybody was housed the threat of poverty would have less material consequence. Cruelty is not the point, in this case. Neither hate. Simply profit. Which in many ways is much more cold and insidious

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah but with that 4x budget they get to look like what they think is cool, they get to be openly racist fucks and they get to enact their cruel fantasies!

Money all worth!

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

He was never that good at numbers, that Donald guy.