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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 181 points 11 months ago

In an interview on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Shapiro said everyone who goes to the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a new or renewed driver’s license will be automatically registered to vote, unless the individual chooses to opt out.

That’s not quite automatic, but still a great step

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's like that in other states. You get or renew your license/ID and part of that form is voting registration.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

The main difference is opt in vs opt out. Still not the same as automatic registration

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Why would you opt in every time? I've renewed my license twice and nothing changed about my voting info. There's a lot of other government forms that have voting registration on them too.

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[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago

In Canada, there's a box you can tick on your taxes to pass along your info to Elections Canada. Not sure how hard this would be to implement as well.

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[-] vivadanang@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

goddamn we've been trying to get motor voter legislation for 30+ years.... and the conservatives know more voters is their death knell so they've fought it tooth and nail everywhere. GOOD ON PA.

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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago

Republicans going hate that wonder how long until the lawsuit.

[-] stu@lemmy.pit.ninja 17 points 11 months ago

A lawsuit when 23 states were already doing it? GOP's voter rolls are going to grow too.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

The GOP of late has been doing everything in their power to make it tougher to vote. They've gone through in multiple states and purged voter registrations which many people didn't find out about until they actually went to vote and found out they were no longer registered.

GOP’s voter rolls are going to grow too.

The GOP is trying to bank on the fact that their voters tend to be far more motivated to vote. The DNC has more actual supporters than the GOP and if there was 100% voter turnout the GOP would never win another election, but since we only get something like 40% voter turnout, and nearly all Republican voters show up to the polls every time, that lets the GOP keep scoring election wins. They know that if they make it more difficult to register to vote, the vast majority of their supporters will go through the extra effort, while a significant chunk of Democrat voters will be discouraged by the extra hoops to jump through and will give up before actually getting registered or voting.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

But often, voter registration ends up disenfranchising marginalized people.

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago

i'm very stupid -- i've never understood this whole registration system at all. why is it not just based on your ID or social security or something? (oh, so prisoners can't vote? great, i'm glad we introduced more complexity to disenfranchise more people.)

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 34 points 11 months ago

Some Americans, particularly evangelical Christians and libertarians, are vehemently against the idea of a national identification system. To them it's either the beginning of a New World Order government or the Mark of the Beast or both. So having a national ID card will never fly. Social Security Numbers aren't even supposed to be used for identification, despite the fact that they're used that way everywhere.

There's also the case that not everyone has an ID. Racist southern states, for example, enact voter ID laws and then remove all places where you can get an ID from majority black areas. Having to show an ID to vote is, therefore, going to disenfranchise some people. You could get around this by broadening valid identification to include simply bringing a piece of mail with your name and address on it.

[-] Uprise42@artemis.camp 10 points 11 months ago

Actually SSN’s ARE supposed to be used that way now. It wasn’t intended when the system started because it was difficult to get everyone one. But once the system was established they started pushing federal agencies to use them. Then in the ‘60’s when the digital revolution began it just made sense to use them. But the law has been changed since 1943. The new cards don’t even have that line on them anymore.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/reports/ssnreportc2.html

[-] Pieisawesome@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

They are terrible ids, they used to be assigned sequentially and geographically based. So you could figure out the first 3-5 digits from basic information and get in a ballpark number if you had a birthday.

[-] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

You know weirdly in Australia it's mandatory to vote, all government departments exchange information and yet we still need to register to vote... you get fined for not voting and you can't get a passport if you're 18+ and not enrolled.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

oh, so prisoners can't vote

It seems like not having a polling location inside the prison would also address that concern.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 11 months ago

To be fair, voting is handled by the states, so that is one reason it's complicated.

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't know why Republicans wouldn't want prisoners to vote. The don't need to avoid consequences' group and acting overly tough to the point of making life much harder on themselves is their entire base

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

Because they don't want black people to vote and the majority of people in prison, are black.

I'd even argue we have laws on the books specifically for this intention. To disinfranchise black voters, by putting them in prison.

In other words, you're kinda missing the point of the prison industrial complex.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

You can't be Tough On Crime^tm^ if you allow prisoners to vote. What if -gasp!- they vote to abolish all crimes! Our streets would be RAMPANT with undesirables! /s

Also, think about the demographic make-up of America's penal system, and you'll find another reason Republicans don't want prisoners to vote.

[-] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also, think about the demographic make-up of America’s penal system, and you’ll find another reason Republicans don’t want prisoners to vote.

Pretty sure that is the actual reason.

  • Lose civil war. Have to free your black slaves.

  • Create laws and law enforcement culture that disproportionately impact black folks.

  • Steadfastly pretend you have done neither of those things.

  • Lock 'em up!

  • Sorry, prisoners can't vote. Really, our hands are tied. Someone think of the children.

Closest thing to a confession I'm aware of:

“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people,” former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper’s writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.

"We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news."

"Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/nixon-adviser-ehrlichman-anti-left-anti-black-war-on-drugs-2019-7

Here's older evidence that goes back to much earlier.

Marijuana was Anslinger’s golden ticket. He used his office to trumpet the association between weed and violence, so that it could be criminalized. “You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother,” he was known to have said. McWilliams explains that in this effort, “Anslinger appealed to many organizations whose members were predominantly white Protestant.”

From the beginning, Anslinger conflated drug use, race, and music. “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men,” he was quoted as saying. “There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”

https://timeline.com/harry-anslinger-racist-war-on-drugs-prison-industrial-complex-fb5cbc281189

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 4 points 11 months ago

When one thinks too hard about it, the whole "we can't trust prisoners to vote, they'll vote to legalize crime!" argument is pretty ridiculous too. Criminals don't just universally love crime, like a guy in for having weed isn't likely to want to legalize murder or something, he doesn't want to be murdered or see people murdered any more than anyone else, and anyone actually crazy enough to want to legalize that is going to be an irrelevant minority of the vote anyway (prisoners in general will be a minority, unless most of your population is locked up, in which case you either actually do have way too many crimes that shouldn't be illegal, or your society is so terminally dysfunctional that it's laws won't much matter anyway).

[-] Cabrio@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Oops, it looks like you tried having a deep thought, unfortunately thoughts deeper than surface level are dangerous to Conservative minds as they are prone to drowning, and have been subsequently banned.

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