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submitted 11 months ago by yogthos@lemmygrad.ml to c/worldnews@lemmygrad.ml

This was hands down my favorite bit from the article:

Some even maintain that every dollar spent on Ukraine is a waste of taxpayer money that could be better used on domestic priorities, such as combating the spread of fentanyl.

These arguments are misguided and dangerous.

How dare they suggest that money would be better spent addressing domestic problems than on a proxy war half way across the world. That's misguided and dangerous thinking.

I also love how the article takes it for granted that US must prop up puppet regimes in Asia as if that's somehow in the interest of the people living in US.

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 61 points 11 months ago

No the Taiwanese aren't. I lived abroad in Taiwan a while back for some time and even then their opinions on China are a lot more nuanced than Americans seem to think. The ones I still talk to are more concerned about the US instigating something that makes it harder for them to live their lives.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

Could you elaborate on those nuanced opinions? That sounds like a dig but I'm actually just interested, especially since every time I see someone report on their experiences in Taiwan they represent the opinions they encountered wildly differently from the other accounts.

[-] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 11 months ago

Not them but I can provide some nuance. Most importantly I think, the peoples of the mainland and Taiwan island aren't a separate people. Folks in Taiwan island have family and friends in the mainland and vice versa. This was the case in the Korean peninsula as well, so fair question to ask the difference, which is that there was never really a wall of separation between Taiwan island and the rest of China. Taiwan's main trade partner is the PRC and it's easy to travel, meaning whatever propoganda might be thrown at these people cannot work as it has in occupied Korea.

On top of these ties, the political relationship here also isn't as the western MSM portrays it. The CPC generally isn't sabre-rattling the way the US or even the EU are, there are few threats being thrown around and that's usually threats towards the west for trying to drive a wegde, not the people on the island. Similarly, despite their declarations to the west, even the DPP aren't working to completely sever ties. They'll posture and try to hurt the PRC but they know they can't survive without the mainland.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

The economic co-dependence, cultural co-dependence, and freedom of movement clearly aren't enough. Clearly.

[-] wolf6152@lemm.ee 53 points 11 months ago

We won’t abandon the south vietnamese, Kurds, Central Americans, Afghanistan allies or Ukrainians until it’s damn good and convenient for the us.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 11 months ago

As long as it takes for the oligarchs to fill their coffers.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 51 points 11 months ago

Author works for CSIS. Let's take a look at a list of their major corporate donors:

Contributions of $250,000 and up

Amazon Inc. 
Aramco  
Bank of America Corporation 
Chevron Corporation  
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu LLC 
Exxon Mobil Corporation 
FedEx 
General Atomics 
GSK plc 
HII 
Leonardo S.p.A 
Lockheed Martin Corporation 
Microsoft 
Northrop Grumman 
Pratt Industries, Inc. 
SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation) 

While we're at it, let's look at government donors:

Contributions $250,000 and up

Government of the United States 
Government of Japan 
Government of the Republic of Korea 
Government of the United Arab Emirates 
Taiwan 
[-] falconhoof@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 11 months ago
[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

international-community-1international-community-2

But for sponsors of shitty think tanks.

[-] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 11 months ago

this shows clearly that US is a death cult with a country attached. Putting children in harms way in factories, butcheries, mines and bars and invest that money to kill people overseas and let people in homeland dies from numerous causes

[-] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 11 months ago

The US is a mafia state coercing all of its citizens, vassals, and slaves to participate in its criminal enterprise.

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 11 months ago

"Person dating a known abuser worried they may be abused."

[-] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

where leaders told me this month that a major decline in U.S. military assistance to Kyiv would embolden Beijing and weaken deterrence in Asia.

I don't think that is a common fear shared by the people, WSJ should have reported that Taiwanese leadership are worried. There is not a single mention of what the people of Taiwan want. I have many friends from uni there now, and that is not an express concern of any of them. More than anything they want to be left alone with things the way they are, not dragged into an armed conflict for American interests.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago

I mean, western media thinking of colonised Asians as a hive mind completely enthralled by usian ubermenschen is not unexpected, it is their standard mode.

[-] relay@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 11 months ago

If the US just bails on Taiwan, the CPC just pushes them out of power or they get elected out of office. Do even the die hard one china policy people want any harm to befall the Kumintang leaders?

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't mind those cockroaches known as the Kuomintang being taken out (that's an unfair insult to cockroaches), but I almost always prefer for conflicts to be solved peacefully at all possible.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

This is 2023. The DPP is far worse than the KMT.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 11 months ago

I don't know much about the DPP, admittedly, so I'll try to not talk out of my ass. I read that they are even more resolute in their Taiwanese identity than the Kuomintang are, and they seem like stuckup blue MAGAs.

[-] Buchenstr@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 11 months ago

DPP are 'social democrats' of taiwan, but they're insanely hawkish and war-mongering. Even the Kuomintang doesn't have the same rabid anti-chinese sentiment as the DPP. In fact the KMT has even called for closer collaboration for the mainland government, so these guys have now fallen out of favour from the western imperialists, and the DPP is also edging closer to fascist apologia and ultranationalism. In short they're nothing but a puppet party who'll only dance to the US's tunes. At least the KMT have some common sense to them.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 36 points 11 months ago

They are the next to be fed into the grinder.

USAmerican capital demands their blood.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 11 months ago

Ah, I misunderstood this title. I thought it was "Taiwanese are worried the US will abandon Ukraine (and turn Taiwan into the next warzone)"

Not "They support the US's every action abroad, like a good little compliant puppet, so you should too."

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure when the article talks about Taiwanese it's not referring to the actual public, but rather to the ruling regime US managed to install there.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Is there any evidence the US installed the DPP? I figured it sort of just happened once people were sick of the KMT.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 11 months ago

There's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that actually. It's also worth noting that the whole Sunflower Movement happened right as KMT were about to negotiate peaceful repatriation with the mainland.

NED has been working closely with DPP and with Tsai Ing-Wen in particular

*https://www.ned.org/remarks-prepared-by-national-endowment-for-democracy-president-carl-gershman-and-read-by-andrew-nathan-at-tecro-dinner-with-taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen/

Sunflower Movement leader Lin Fei-fan has documented associations with the NED as well

Wikileaks also revealed DPP regular Reporting to AIT

US has poured countless millions into shaping the opinions of the people in Taiwan through orgs like NED, it directly grooms US politicians such as Tsai Ing-Wen.

[-] jlyws123@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Our determination has nothing to do with Ukraine. If the United States wants a world war, they will get it. The only thing that affects ccp's ruling position is not '' unify Taiwan Province'', but ''not to unify Taiwan Province''.

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