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[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 156 points 1 year ago
[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 145 points 1 year ago

Remember, socialism is evil because in socialism you won't own anything.

Meanwhile, capitalism creates this…

[-] Mikina@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've recently seen a random Youtube video (about the Unity pricing changes) that was talking about capitalism and what it was meant to be, and one key point that has stuck with me is that capitalism should absolutely hate rent, and the early capitalism was against it.

IIRC the reasoning was that rent was mainly a feudalism thing, and also because it doesn't really provide much value, since you aren't necessarily using it to invest and offer a better service to the one who's paying it, you're just extorting money from them.

The video was also mentioning a term, which may be totally made-up but I really like, which was technofeudalism - which describes the recent trend of every company trying to switch to subscription models, so they can also extort rent from you for using the internet, without providing a better service. Paying monthly for seat warmers in a car? Paying monthly for a guitar tuner app? Paying monthly for X? That's not capitalism, that's just plain feudalism - there's no added value or improved service, they are just slapping on unreasonable costs because they can.

I just woke up, and seen the video a few weeks back, so my summary of the main ideas of the video may be totally wrong. I also have no idea what sources, if any, was the video based on, so it may be total bullshit. But I like the term, technofeudalism sounds cool, and the idea is pretty intuitive to quickly share, while sounding like something that makes sense. But that one video is my only source I have about it, II don't even know whether that term exists or is made up. I'll try to find the video later.

EDIT: It was this one.

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[-] Akashic101@feddit.de 116 points 1 year ago

My library-card costs 8€ a year and I can work there all day long in a nice quite environment. Internet is free, so are beverages. It also has a streaming-service and I can rent consoles and such there as well. I dont understand why someone would pay 600€ a month just for a desk to work at

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

$2000/mo in the midwest would rent a house, if you're just going to work remote anyway.

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

it's like paying for a gun to shoot yourself with

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

That's fucking criminal. You could pay for a camping lifestyle with 5g access for half that and get the same amenities. 1400 dollars for a bed is insane.

[-] robo@feddit.uk 39 points 1 year ago

Imagine the landlord renting out two rooms, with two bunks each in a small unit.

$5,600 every month without having to work for it, maybe change a lightbulb occasionally. Even people who get that as wages need to pay for transportation to work, which cuts into the income- but not the landlord who gets it passively.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 24 points 1 year ago

Damn... i could rent my bedroom out to like 6 tech bros and finally buy a house...

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[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago

But then you're not in Los Angeles. That's a big part of trying to make it in this type of industry.

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So, take the above with a grain of salt because it is, after all, green text. The numbers may be bullshit. The entire thing may be bullshit. Who knows.

But that said. $2000 monthly is more than my mortgage, utilities, insurance, internet, cell phone, and fuel expenditures combined in the same span of time. That is insane. (With what I overpay towards the principal on my mortgage puts me above that, but I wouldn't technically have to. I'd just like to actually own my house some time this century, or at least before I'm dead.)

Why anyone would deliberately choose to live that way is beyond me. There isn't anything special about my situation; I live in the here and now, at precisely the same date and time as this dude, in the same country, in a major metropolitan area. I'm not an executive, CEO, or landlord. I work in the durable goods industry, for fuck's sake.

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

2000 a month isn't enough for my 2 bedroom 30 minutes from the nearest city. But it was an upgrade from my 2600/month 600sqft apartment on the outskirt of said city. Fortunately we don't pay utilities due to the shady number of rented dwellings on the single property. But we pay more for shittier Internet, and are limited to 1 cell phone provider option. Congratulations, you bought at a good time. I don't hold it against you, but I ask that you understand that the market isn't like that any more. We're looking at 600,000$houses in our current neighborhood, 750 to be in the edge of the city, and they aren't exactly ready for habitation, but that's okay, they'll be bought and flipped (poorly) and resold for 50% more on top of current asking by next summer.

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[-] malloc@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Cost of living (COL) is relative to the area …

I suspect you live in some small town or rural area

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile I, living less than a hundred miles from the green text, can't find an apartment to rent for under $2k, and the median house prices for the county are north of a million dollars. If by some miracle I could put down 20-30% down, the mortagage would still be $4k. My electric bill alone is over $300. I'm glad it's working out for you, but I would be interested in knowing where you're at, because this shit here isn't working.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

"Works in social media advertising"

Boyyyyy. RUN.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

Landlords, landlords as far as the eye can see.

[-] Ryantific_theory@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I'm sure Marx would be impressed at how after his writing swept across the world, we managed to turn most of the world into someone else's private property that we all have to pay to use lol.

Cyberpunk dystopia, here we come!

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[-] Transcriptionist@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

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A photo of a young man sitting at the top of a set of wooden steps attached to a bunk bed. Between the two beds is a chalkboard with "1", an arrow pointing up, and "Zach" written on the left side and "Mike", an arrow pointing down, and "2" written on the right side. Under the bed is a gap with a pair of shoes and a couple of hard plastic travel bags. Tucked between the stairs on the left side of the bunk bed and the cement wall is a bicycle. A pot plant is barely in frame, and the floor appears to be bare cement, the doors and wall a temporary wood and clear plastic.

Underneath the image is a 4chan post reading:

'Steven T. Johnson, 27, works in social media advertising and lives in Hollywood. He spends most of his days using things he does not own.

'He takes a ride-share service to get to the gym; he does not own a car. At the gym, he rents a locker. He uses the gym's laundry service because he does not own a washing machine. Johnson doesn't even have an apartment, actually. He rents a bed in a large room with other people who rent beds, for nights, weeks or months at a time. All the residents share a kitchen and bathrooms. Johnson also rents a desk at WeWork, a coworking space. And he says the only clothes he owns are two versions of the same outfit.

'Johnson says he owns so little that he has even been able to get rid of his backpack. "I gave that up two months ago," he says. He says that for him, this lifestyle isn't cumbersome or confusing. "That's what's great," he says. "When you don't own thing, you don't have to keep track of them. You just show up." He pays $1,400 a month to rent a bunk and an additional $600 a month to rent a desk to work at.'

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[-] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sounds like homelesness but taxed and with extra steps.

[-] zepheriths@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Never will I except owning nothing. If that becomes the only reality I will upgrade myself to domestic terrorist.

[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 24 points 1 year ago
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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I believe the word you're looking for is "accept." I agree with the rest of your premise.

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[-] rockandsock@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

I assume this dude is some kind of extreme minimalist or something. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[-] sverit@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago

Minimalist for 2k/month sounds kinda fucked up tho :D

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[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure millennials are 27 anymore.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think that would be right around the cut off, most sources I'm seeing online have millenials going up to and including 1996, which would be this supposed person's likely year of birth

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[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Paying $2000 a month to be homeless lmao

[-] Saneless@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Only 2k to be a child again? Sweet

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

If I have to live like this somebody is gonna die that's a fucking promise. I refuse.

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[-] kittygrunge@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago

You'll own nothing, and be happy!... sounds like the WEF has control over 4Chan now

[-] red@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 year ago

Johnson decides to live like a pleeb in an area that's costly. Johnson's story sounds like there isn't an alternative.

I work in the same industry and have net of 2700€ a month after taxes and rent.

Don't get glued to geographic location that eats all your hard earned money.

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[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Shoot the desklords!

[-] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

He could probably own a car if he stopped using the ride share. He's probably spending close to $600 a month for the rideshare service unless he's splitting the cost with others. Average rental in Hollywood is (and this is the highest, which is twice what I found elsewhere) $5k a month. I'd rather split rent with some roommates and have a place of my own. Work from home instead of renting a desk. That's $2k alone to put toward rent. Two or three roommates and you could actually save money.

His lifestyle is a lifestyle driven choice, not a cost driven choice. He's paying extra for that lifestyle. Forget food costs since he can't very well prepare much food without owning storage space, so it's eating out all the time for him.

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[-] Aggravationstation@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 1 year ago

The bed next to him says Zach ⬆️ and Mike ⬇️ not Steve? 🤔

[-] Chailles@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Well, yeah, he gets the staircase.

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[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Look at it this way.... if renting was somehow better for you as a consumer, then what would be the motive for a company to rent you a desk, rent you a bed, rent you a car. For short term things, sure. But financially it isn't better for you to rent forever.

In 30 years you'll still be spending that money on a bed each and every month, or you could have paid for a house and now be living rent and mortgage free.

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[-] FeetiePJs@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He owns his own business and is doing this by choice. They don't go into numbers, but the fact that the article is titled "The Affluent Homeless" makes me think he's not struggling. The guy is atypical, but the people saying he's a socialist or he's being crushed by capitalism are reading their own politics into this.

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[-] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The pod space things are criminally overpriced and sometimes dangerous. There was this video of someone showing "futuristic" pods made of cheap plastic and electronic-only doors.

If a fire breaks out in these spaces, people will die. I don't understand why a fire marshal would even allow these places that are filled with dozens of people and no emergency exits.

A trailer park or a tiny home sounds like a penthouse suite compared to these places. But they will build these and charge this much because people are that dumb. I get that LA housing costs are extreme, but surely there are many things you can try to do before this.

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