They will appeal to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will sign in their favor, meanwhile they will not spend any money.
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They need a temporary restraining order in order to do that. Do they have one? I haven't seen it in any stories yet.
I don’t think I understand the question. A judge ordered Trump to do something. Trump does not have to do any of that, because he appealed. I’m not sure entirely how this process works… But I can guarantee you zero money will be spent on snap until the Supreme Court makes its decision. If the Supreme Court makes the decision that Trump has to support snap, Trump will still not support snap. No one is going to reach into the pocket of the government and pull out the money. It is just not going to happen. Every single thing that you see is just a puppet show.
Not arguing your conclusion, but to answer the question regarding the question
Just appealing a ruling doesn't mean he doesn't have to follow the ruling. He still has to follow the ruling until a judge, any judge involved in the case, says that he doesn't have to follow the ruling as either a temporary stay of said ruling or a permanent judgement.
So if he doesn't do as ordered (and I agree that he won't) he is 100% in violation of the law AND the judge's orders.
But also he's immune to prosecution for official acts, so why should Trump give a shit about any of that?
What does "following the ruling" even look like. Does Trump have to cut a check for it? Is there some bureaucrat who pushes some buttons on a computer? Who will make either of those things happen? The courts have no enforcement arm. Congress has no enforcement arm. We're relying on American humans to follow the rules and I have given up hope on that happening.
The judge ordered the administration to report back by Sunday or Monday night with plans on how it would happen.
Actually two different judges in different states ruled this same way with the same requirement.
But… you know he has no intention of doing what a judge says, and there is nothing anyone can do—besides end trump’s life violently—to stop him.
Then Democrats need to be on top of the messaging and make sure that everyone knows who is directly responsible for their hunger.
So I'm not super optimistic...
Are you sure Newsome won't throw a couple snarky tweets out there? That's about all they have to offer at this point 😐
The Trump administration will undoubtedly appeal, possibly all the way to the Supreme Court.
That's gonna be a good look for them. /s
Doesn't matter how it looks. Cult members won't care, trump will ignore the order, people will starve.
The cruelty is literally the whole point. This administration is evil.
I don't think they're even going to bother to appeal as much as they're just going to ignore a court order... again.
The cult is basically irrelevant. Their loyalty is guaranteed, like you said.
I'm more interested in what the other 2/3rds of the country will do.
I bet some will care. And some is all you need. A few here and there from the things this administration does will make all the difference
This is an excellent point. Trump brought out 77.3 million votes for his coalition. Meanwhile, 75.0m voted Harris, and 3.0 million voted third party (mix of ideologies, not all would-be Harris votes). Add to that 90+ million non-voters, which probably has some fraction of the 6 or so million voters who voted for Biden in 2020 who didn't turn out for Harris. Convince 29k people in Wisconsin, 80k in Michigan, 120k in Pennsylvania, and like 45k in Nevada to turn out for Harris, and we're not having this conversation right now. We don't need all the cult to switch votes. Frankly, 1% swapping or 2% actually turning out is all we need. And people dooming about how set the Trumpers are seem to be working more to depress enthusiasm amongst Blue Team players than actually save democracy.
Okay so we get another squeaker election where the Democrats win. The Republicans will say that it was faked and wrong, spend the rest of the time complaining, and those 45k in Nevada and 120k in PA will flip back and we'll be right back to where we are, or probably worse.
Why? Because that's what's happened every election of my goddamned life and it's never going to change, no matter how many people die of starvation because a wire transfer wasn't made.
Apathetic bloody planet. I've no sympathy at all.
We're already starting to see populist progressive candidates overtake DNC Democrats.
Cynicism aside, if you don't see a path out of this: Pretend for a second that we can get enough people into congress to have a functioning congressional body.
A properly led Congress has standing and capability required to sue the Executive branch and force it to follow the law across thousands of issues that are being created by it refusing the follow the law. The congress also has the capability to impeach and remove Supreme Court Justices, btw.
In addition, the "Power of the Purse" is not just a Schoolhouse Rock meme. Democrats in congress are already cutting off all funding for the government by refusing to pass a CR. They can keep refusing to do that until a budget is passed that includes, at the very least, not removing even more of the social safety net in canceling healthcare insurance subsidies.
This shutdown is already starting to turn public perception against the Republicans, rapidly. A huge amount of government workers, who are working without pay, are suddenly getting 'sick'. Airplanes can't fly if we don't have air traffic controllers, the mail can't move if we don't have postal workers and during the holidays not having air travel or mail is kind of a big deal.
ICE and federal law enforcement are currently getting paid out of a fund that was appropriated specifically to pay them during a shutdown, but that fund is not infinite and eventually even ICE agents will stop receiving a paycheck. I'm sure some will work for the love of the game, but I don't think all of them will. It's also hard to keep arresting and deporting people if you can't buy gasoline, electricity, jet fuel or take off from commercial air ports. Money is kind of important for these operations and money has to get through Congress first.
A President who has no workers to carry out his will is pretty powerless. He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act against the coming public backlash. I think he will find that there will be serious morale problems if he tries to deploy the US Military domestically. Everyone knows that this is illegal and they also know that the justification is bullshit. In the end, the enlisted of the US Military are just regular people who are working the best job that they could find. This won't be a great outcome, should it occur, but I know a lot of current and former enlisted service members and while some of them are partisan on topics that they find outrageous, they are patriots and understand that the seriousness of their role is more important than worry about trans people playing sports.
This is why there is a huge battle to control Congress. Because as much as the Supreme Court immunized Trump against prosecution, they did not literally make him a King and in the US system of government Congress is not powerless despite being currently held impotent by sycophants.
You better fucking vote.
I'm sure at some point a judge ordered Hitler to stop killing Jews.
Hitler literally got a law passed so that a judge couldn't block him from doing anything. So until Trump has his Reischtag fire and declares a state of emergency it's not really comparable.
Passed shortly after Hitler became Chancellor, the Act effectively transferred significant legislative authority from the Reichstag (the German parliament) to Hitler and his cabinet, allowing them to enact laws without parliamentary consent. The Act also permitted amendments to the constitution and control over the national budget. Despite its ostensibly reassuring language regarding the roles of the president and parliament, the Enabling Act fundamentally undermined democratic governance in Germany.
We already had the "official acts" SCOTUS ruling instead.
The ruling which states that SCOTUS itself is the final arbiter of what constitutes an "official act." So if (lol) there's ever a non-GOP president again, SCOTUS has the ability to take away Presidential Immunity whenever asked to rule on a relevant case. A neat trick that everyone seemed to forget during the Biden admin.
There's no fire. He just paid a bunch of people to tear down the white house.
Sure, he'll probably blame Dems
I'm not sure if that's true or not.
Hitler essentially stripped out all Jewish sympathy from the german legal system almost as soon as he took power.
There were several legal challenges, especially against the concentration camps. They were quite close to succeeding
Trump's legal troubles are very similar, especially is regards to their shared attempts to overthrow the government (although Hitler lost and received a stern slap on the wrist)
Don't give ideas to pedonald.
Because there are no consequences for his crimes and lawlessness, 42 million Americans are now without the food support they need.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-defies-court-snap-ruling
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/01/millions-lose-food-aid-snap-trump-shutdown-00632404
At some point I expect the admin to admit they already spent the money. What will the courts do then?
That wouldn't do anything at all. The government simply spends money into existence. If the judge tells them to pay SNAP, then they magic the money into existence.
The federal government cannot run out of money, it can only increase inflation.
Nothing. It will have been a "presidential duty" immune from consequences, as ordained by the bootlickers in the SCrOTUS.
So how is the judiciary expected to enforce this?
Not sure, but it does give Republicans an additional roadblock in their propaganda campaign to blame Democrats.
If people do start going hungry, the GOP might not like the reaction they get from some people in their own base.
This is good, because people won't go hungry
This is bad, because concessions and breadcrumbs like this will prevent people from overthrowing this tyrant
Looks like he's ignoring it
Then people lacking long term health care - like Luigi - will be better soldiers than starving people.
So there's obviously a back and forth on the legal side, but presumably people are right now getting the funds when they go buy food, right? It says "will not have to make hard choices" but doesn't specifically say there's money for them right NOW.
Yeah, there’s no money. Appealing will stop the funding, and for some reason USDA said it takes “weeks” to get the SNAP debit cards reloaded. https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/5583746-when-will-snap-ebt-cards-be-reloaded-delays-still-possible-despite-judges-rulings/
Some states gave some funds to EBT cards. Some didn't.
Those shitheads haven't listened to any judges yet, they aren't starting now. SCrOTUS let the orange cancer be above the law.
The only positive thing is that this will hurt MAGAts more. They'll get to experience what they voted for. Thankfully my blue state has already started shuffling funding toward feeding people here.
The way this admin wields power reminds me of one of my favorite video game quotes.
"It's not a cudgel you barbarian..." -Cortana