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The smart vacuum cleaner was remotely bricked for not collecting data.

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 174 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Having someone use a remote kill command for an item you bought for reasons other than imminent threats to safety ought to be illegal. This shouldn’t be treated differently from a car salesman bricking your windshield after you drive off the lot.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In germany there's the "Computer sabotage" crime.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Is it still sabotage if the only thing they have sold is a license to use their product not the product itself. That is still their property.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm no law expert, but as far as i know, there were already similiar cases. Reasoning (german law): Software required to run the product is not "licensed to use" but part of the product, which was bought, belongs the user and not the company. Remotely making the device unusable would indeed violate that term.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hopefully, such terms would violate the above law and not hold up against it.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

At least in EU the manufacturer can't revoke licenses on sold physical products with no cause (can't expire before EOL either) and can't remove advertised functionality. If any feature is conditional or temporary it has to be disclosed before sale.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago

The issue you’ll run into is that the data runs through their servers, and you ages to let them kill it off. Should that be legal? I honestly don’t know. But they shouldn’t force you to use their servers to begin with, which would make the entire issue moot.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Conversely, instead of blocking the data transfer, have it send false data. Maybe a few drop table inserts.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago

I do this when a job makes me install productivity tracking software. Surprisingly easy to gin up fake screenshots and JSON of your activities and inject it into the program. All it does is upload the records from a user folder every X minutes

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

Spam them so hard they'll blacklist your device

[–] pipi1234@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In case you have a robot vacuum and want to run it cloudless you can check Valetudo.

It's been running my vacuum the last 4 years and I couldn't find any downsides (There are several extra functions if you like to tinker around with home assistant and the likes)

If you have any doubts or need assistance with installing it, I would be happy to give you a hand :-)

[–] besmtt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Absolutely love Valetudo! I just got some stickers to put on mine.

[–] Enternasyonal@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago

behavioral surplus is the most important thing for corporations in 21st century. Simple as that. They basically collect people's personal data, where they go, their routines and stuff, and render them and use them for efficient advertising. Google is the founder of this system.

[–] UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You could just setup a dedicated VLAN without Internet access to prevent this. Right?

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Maybe in some cases. My robot stores it's smart map on the cloud, which means of you cut off the internet it loses a lot of features.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

No, because that's what he did

[–] notsure@fedia.io 0 points 2 weeks ago

...so the joke goes...