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[–] Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe 98 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Why the fuck is Steam still in Russia?

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 29 points 3 weeks ago

Gabe needs НКВД money.

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago

CSGO trolls from Russia probably make up like 20% of their total revenue.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

For the rubles, of course.

[–] jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network 8 points 3 weeks ago

💲💲💲

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[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 71 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)

'This isn't "wokeness", it's basic human rights and equality and nothing more,' he added. 'If Steam can't support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.'

What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with "'wokeness,'" and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

I don't really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I'm surprised they're even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 88 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Pulling out of Russia entirely is an option. It's not like they're relying on them to stay in business.

[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 61 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Well, given the sanctions, this ought to be a given. I don't understand how valve can operate in Russia at all tbh.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Right? That was my question, why are they operating there at all right now

[–] Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Valve had a big piracy problem in russia and it was ofc because of service issues. While I obviously don't agree with this censorship and would prefer valve to entirely pull out of russia, I can see why they are absolutely not doing that. They want to provide the best PC gaming store service across the world, and they don't want competitors or piracy to eat into their sales

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The sanctions did impact Steam's operations in Russia. Russian users currently can't use any payment methods to buy games aside from Steam Wallet funds.

[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

Then yeah, I'm surprised valve is cooperating. I suppose they are planning for the future, should the sanctions end.

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[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

They could just not comply? What's Russia gonna do, nuke Gaben's yacht?

[–] dukemirage@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They ignored (legitimate) youth protection laws long enough, they could ignore this one, too.

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 49 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

“Non-traditional”? Homosexuality has been around and recorded since the Romans and even prior. 2000+ years isn’t traditional? That’s just as long as Christianity.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago

It's a dictatorship. It's not logic. Fuck the Kremlin.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It was illegal in the UK till the mid 60s, Russia is still holding out

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[–] ImminentOrbit@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Your choice as Valve here is to either delist or not be in Russia. It is easy for me, as someone not in Russia, to cheer Valve to fight the good fight. But, it would suck if I were in Russia and suddenly lost access to my games.

[–] popcar2@piefed.ca 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is the most sane take I've seen. It's honestly weird how ignorant this thread is, regional censorship is not new. Australia has a habit of banning violent games. The Middle East and China have a habit of censoring all sorts of things. Many countries have their own laws of what is and isn't okay and they fluctuate all the time. My friend in Germany couldn't play Wolfenstein because any games with Nazi imagery were illegal until relatively recently.

Literally every company that operates in those countries also censor their stuff. The only reason this article exists is because [thing but Russia] gets more clicks and outrage compared to [thing in fifty other countries]. You're free to hate Steam for it but this isn't weird or exclusive behavior. They're running a business.

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[–] flippinfreebird@lemmy.today 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't know why it's news at all. It happens in every other country with any amount of censorship, US included.

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[–] jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But, it would suck if I were in Russia and suddenly lost access to my games.

Another reason not to rely on steam as a central point of failure.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Not a defense, but aren't a lot of the steam games at least runnable without the front end?

Not as much as GOG obviously, but some ?

[–] BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

Lots of indie games yes, but not so many of the AAAs

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

When "the right thing to do" enters in conflict with "what maximises profits", businesses almost always pick the later.

What makes this decision particularly stark is the response from other tech giants. The same censorship notice was sent to Apple and Google, as the game has been available on their Russian mobile stores since 2020. Both companies reportedly ignored the request, leaving Flick Solitaire available for download.

It's a matter of relative power.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 28 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

This sucks.

However, I think it is important for Steam to continue operating in Russia: by seeing the living standards of other people across the world, younger Russians will develop those same expectations. Everyday things like furnishings, food, how people treat each other, and so forth. When the Russia we know dies, it will be important for the Russians of the future to have ideas and desires to drive them forward. Also, Russian authorities won't be able to fully inspect ALL media for LGBTQ+, which means that people will see something that they "shouldn't".

In the long run, the media that people consume will determine how they feel their nation should become. It is my hope that Putin's Russia will die in the coming years, and a better nation born from the ashes.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

What's the alternative? They have to obey the law, right? What should they have done? How is this "bowing to Kremlin" as if they're kneeling, waiting to suck their dick or something.

Genuinely curious about these questions.

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

I wonder if the same people who say Steam should pull out of Russia would agree that Steam should also pull out from the US. I mean, that's what should happen given the basis of the arguments being used, right?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If the US opposes values Valve has then they should.

I’m not going to pretend Valve cares about these causes though.

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[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It's called "complying with the law".

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[–] slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I mean, if you want to operate in a country, you follow their laws when in the country?

[–] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

How about having some fucking backbone?

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Generally yes, but legality is not ethics.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

So, human rights stuff aside, how/why the fuck do we need a genderised solitaire?

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 30 points 3 weeks ago

Because the dev wanted to make it and other people wanted to play it.

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[–] onehundredsixtynine@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

These comments are shit. Who said that you should comply with Russia's laws???

[–] uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

People who love valve more than human rights

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[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Surprised to not see it linked. Warning: despite being free, recent reviews point out how they’re pushing a monthly subscription to get all the cosmetics.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3690460/FLICK_SOLITAIRE/

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