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Most peoples understanding of evolution in capitalist countries, unfortunately, is quite Victorian in nature. Particularly when it comes to survival of the fittest.

We are taught very vague notions of the strong winning and the weak losing in some grand death match, that evolution is a dog eat dog, every man for himself type affair. That superior and inferior are objective and that evolution is the culling of the inferior towards some sort of goal of the perfect being.

Most egregiously, we are taught that this is the case with individuals within a single species. It shouldn't take much thinking to understand why that is a terrible survival strategy even for the most brutal predator, as if wolves and pirhana would suddenly be more efficient survivors if they ate one another instead of working together.

And yet we in capitalist societies will often make assumptions based on outdated and pseudoscientific, even fascist, ideals of superior and inferior. In media, the fascist societies are often portrayed as evil, yes, but almost never as being impractical. Fascism, social Darwinism, whatever you want to call it. It is evil, sure, but it also doesn't work because it is based on a flawed understanding of reality in the first place. That is something I almost never see discussed in history education or in media.

Which brings us to our little herbivore I mentioned in the title. That dorky little pig lizard is called a Lystrosaurus. He doesn't look much, and he's not particularly strong or smart. He doesn't have any real unique talents aside from being decent at burrowing. He's not even a dinosaur, despite the saurus suffix (it just means lizard) he's a protomammal from before dinosaurs even existed, during the Permian period. This was an age of primitive reptiles and protomammals that weren't quite lizard, weren't quite mammal.

252 million years ago, at the end of the Permian period, Earth underwent the worst extinction event in it's known history, the Permian–Triassic extinction event and it was much worse than the exctintion even that ended large non-avian dinosaurs 65-66 million years ago. This extinction event was so severe that it is referred to as The Great Dying. Exact causes are not certain, however the scientific consensus seems to be that massive eruptions started a chain reaction that unleashed a lot of greenhouse gasses, causing a sulphur poisoning and oxygen depletion. 90% of Earths species became extinct. It was also the only known extinction event to significantly impact insect diversity, with 9 entire orders (yes orders, not species) becoming extinct.

It took 5 million years for Earth to recover.

Big, strong, brutal and cunning saber-toothed gorgonopsids and other giant predatory animals? All gone.

But our little tunnel digging, vegetable eating lystrosaurus? It not only survived, but it ended up representing 90% of land fauna after the extinction.

Why? No one really knows, some say grouping behavior, or that carbon dioxide tolerance was high because it lived in burrows. But one thing is for certain, it wasn't because it was it was the perfect evolutionary machine winning in the marketplace of life. It just happened to be a silly little guy that liked digging holes.

Anyway I hope this rant was readable, I am very sleepy.

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[–] 420lenin69@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

If any online forum has respect for those who dig tunnels, it’s this one.

New theory of evolution: survival of the burrowist.

You think rich people are building their doomsday bunkers on land? Get thee to a mine.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good post.

Deep history is so cool, and there were so many eons, and so many wild and crazy happenings. It's like reading a wild sci-fi novel about "what if this crazy happenstance happened".

Misunderstandings of evolution are the norm. I think partly it's because the actual statistical/numbers aspect of it is kinda glazed over. My college biology class had us play around with a population simulator, to show us how all the little knobs affected how various species populations would oscillate and crash. Notably, none of those knobs was "fitness" or "badassness" or anything like that. It left a big impression on me; my high school education had been much more hand-wavy about the actual mechanics of evolution, and had given me all the misconceptions that the OP talks about. It was important that someone intervene and teach it properly, otherwise my whole world view might have been subtly poisoned by those misconceptions.

[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People definitely see/hear "fitness", and think of physical conditioning, size, etc., when it really just means how good you are at fucking

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's not even that sometimes! Reproduction is only useful if some of those babies survive after all.

If I'm going to be a real pedantic nerd, I'd also point out that most of Earths creatures don't even sexually reproduce! Yay microorganisms!

The answer to "what is most fit" seems to be "fit for what, when and where?" Like a surgeon is fit at healing people and a Plumber is fit at fixing waterways. Swap their rolls and they might not be very good at doing each others jobs. Does that mean they're not fit? Who knows; they aren't fit at that particular role at that particular time, but like water they can grow and move and change and if you put them in the right spot at the right time they thrive. Put that surgeon in an operating theatre or train them to be a plumber and you might have a different story. To me that's what fitness is, it's not about trying to be a superior super individual, it's about a species finding what helps them thrive at that particular moment.

That might have sounded like weird rambling, sorry if it doesn't make sense.

[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

Oh yeah I knew I was painting with a very broad brush there, lol

Makes sense to me science rambles are always good rambles!

[–] 420lenin69@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

My line is doomed

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Great post! However it is also obvious from Lystrosaurus's face that the true maxim is "survival of the cutest".

Thank you for summing this up, I like how you presented the info and wrote it.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

evolution is the process by which the ultimate cutie patootie is discovered

[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Turns out crabs are the cutest

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

Excellent writeup!

Similarly to what you outline here, I will always hold contempt in my heart for the piece of capitalist, homo economicus apologia that is Dawkins' work. "Gommunism can never work because selfishness and individualism is literally in our DNA, sorry sweaty, that's just how it is"

[–] Ithorian@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago
[–] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

I enjoyed this read and it reminded me I'm a tiny speck in the universe, which is important to remember regularly. Thank you.

[–] Arahnya@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Mole walrusaur. Walrus of the hole! "what is your special talent?" "i dig holes"

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For sure!

One thing that really pisses me off is the idea that life/evolution is some red in tooth and claw warfare. Most creatures basically ignore each other, and those that don't put considerable effort into avoiding conflict most of the time. Also passive cooperation is a massively successful pattern.

You're bang on with the flawed understanding stuff. When you look to the world for justification but your understanding is wrong you conclude bad ideas.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

spelling, does spelling really matter? no. and yet I am an annoying weirdo all the sameherbivore*

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I would argue that if the post is legible, then no, spelling doesn't matter

[–] miz@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

100% but I also have ingrained prescriptivist classism that I struggle against, so who's to say if it's really bad or not

EDIT: this maxim from software needs de-libbing in terms of wording but it has something good in it: "be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept"

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Ty for the catch, fixed

[–] D61@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago
[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is this a straw man argument? I don’t know anyone who talks about some supreme fitness creature. It’s all about having a niche and having traits suited to that niche. As ecosystems change the traits that are most advantageous change so different creatures or variations of creatures will produce more offspring.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Have you never heard of eugenics in your life? Of culling the weak? People talking about Alphas? Of letting the sick and old die because they're "useless eaters"? What do you think capitalist "meritocracy" is about? Have you really never heard people imply that wealthy people are wealthy because they're inherently better? Did you not witness the same "Oh well it will strengthen the heard to let covid run wild" mentality when covid restrictions were lifted?

Since the Victorian era this idea has been built into our society. It might not be said outright by most people outside of fascists, but the way we have structured society and the rhetoric people dance around? It is definitely believed.