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Famously, the Boston Massacre started with a crowd of Americans throwing snowballs at a militarised police force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre
If any of the ICE officers fired into the crowd, we would have mesurably surpassed the conditions that started the American Revolution.
Minus men of character forming militias. We're fucked.
Be the change you want to see.
Oh we have men of character forming militias alright.
The character is just a lobotomized and racist Elmer Fudd.
If you're ever lucky enough to get selected for jury duty on an "assault on a federal officer" case, then I believe it is your civic duty to acquit, no matter the evidence.
Google "jury nullification".
It just take 1 person to nullify a jury.
We can do better and just nullify a grand jury, that way they dont even get charges through.
But then they can try again.
Only with a misdemeanor charge. A grand jury is pass or fail.
Grand jury is simple majority so one person saying no doesn't matter, and it's for indictments only. A failed indictment isn't an acquittal. They can try again with a different grand jury.
Petit juries do the trial, you need a uanimous verdict, even a 7/12 or a 11/12 "not guilty" vote is not an aquittal and the charges can be brought again and again forever (unless the judge dismisses it with prejudice).
Yes, but there are whole grand Juries in DC doing nullifications. Like the sandwich guy ... that's what I am hoping will happen.
This is literally a Doug Stanhope bit from decades ago. Still true today. Though given the state of America today; I think I'd side with the Lincoln Log lady.
Yeah that era of comedians and pundits had a thing about "frivolous lawsuits". It's a conservative talking point, similar to how modern comedians whinge about cancel culture and trans rights.
I think they were dead wrong, lawsuits protect us all from corporate malfeasance. The grandma that had her genitals melted off by McDonald's boiling hot coffee deserved even more money, and none of public ridicule.
That being said, it's still a great bit.
Yeah. It's definitely the part of the bit that didn't age well so I wanted to give context. You nailed it. I think comedians of that time were leaning into to "libertarianism" since there was no real leftist movement in that time.
Before we all realized libertarians were all just "age of consent" law pedophiles.
Were I to do that in public, I’d expect horrific consequences. Feeling safe enough to kill a pre-infant seems like a failure of the system to me.
"But the baby would be born brown so it's okay to do an involuntary abortion." - The Trump Regime
The reason for them being anti abortion is because they are anti women. They are not "pro life". Remember this. Them beating the shit out of a pregnant women and forcing women to carry a child are both the same goal.
I'm saying this because it's important to not waste your time trying to convince a reactionary that there is a contradiction. There is no contradiction when you remove the mask of their true ideology. It's better to point out the truth that these are both awful forms of state violence that serve the same purpose.
Sorry. Not directly a reply to your comment. Just something related I wanted to say.
Clown shoes and a clown show. They are not "just doing their jobs." They are bad people who sign up to do this shit. Fuck ICE. Every last one of them. I wish there was a hell with a special place for every one of them. They are not law enforcement. These are not laws that they enforce. It state sanctioned terrorism.
I think it's important that Americans realize that this is the same type of militarism that we have been doing abroad for decades. The difference with this administration is that that tactics of state terrorism have come home.
Fascism is imperialism turned inward. This is what Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afgans, basically all of latin America, and many more countries have experienced through the use of our military for decades.
It's important to recognize this. Because the same narratives they have manufactured, the same methods they use for control, all of it, is being used to enact and justify this violence here.
We will not defeat it by only fighting it when it hits our neighborhood. It's being done in Venezuela now in the same way it was done in the past. We have always been monsters.
kneels on pregnant woman
Shit.
Honestly, every single time I think there can't be any more horrid shit to surprise me... there is.
In a just society it wouldn't be snowballs
What in the serious fuck is wrong with ICE officers. They aren't professionals, they are a joke.
Threatening the crowd? I can't even with this level of stupidity. Dumb thugs.
They're fascists.
They're small people, who think they're big because they got a bit of power, a badge and a gun.
🎶"Pushing little children... with thier fully automatics.."🎶
🎶"They like to push the weak around!"🎶
🎶"They like to push the weak around!"🎶
Shi I read this on The Beatles' voices
Whoa, whoa, whoa there, that is unfair. I'm not entirely sure they even have badges.
I wonder when folks are going to start throwing bullets at ICE?
If ice went after the dangerous gangs, it would have happened already, they only target people they can bully.
Pro-life party at work.
They'd probably convict the mother for a forced abortion by ICE too if it came to that.
Yes I'm being ghoulish. I am just so fucking beyond done with what America has let this come to.
No one will know who threw the rock covered in snow
Make a list of every single ICE officer and let the investigations begin once with madness finally ends.
I have a feeling atleast half should be doing some jail time for crimes they have committed while hiding under the ICE name.
Nah. I don't think we should prosecute them. SCOTUS will just find a way to get them off the hook. Or most likely, Trump will issue a blanket pardon for them all on the way out the door.
Instead, I'm thinking more internationally. These folks like deporting people right? Well what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Well think of all the human rights abuses happening in ICE facilities right now. If a Venezuelan national dies due to neglect in an ICE facility, that represents a crime against a citizen of Venezuela, a crime that can be prosecuted in Venezuela.
I propose that we simply extradite ICE agents to the countries of their victims. Let them face justice there.
We need Nuremberg 2 and FAST
I hope they extra packed the snowballs so they hit like a block of ice. Ice on ICE violence. That's what I'm here for.
Alanis Morissette intensifies
Isn't it ironic? Don't you think? It's like losing your rights in a free country. It's being pro life, but not feeding a kid. He's done 10,000 crimes and no justice. It's doin everything right, And still get mugged by ICE.
I am lucky not to be in america, and I am not in that position, but if an Ice agent does this to a pregnant woman in front of me, I am sure as hell going to do something emotional in that moment.
I am suprised we have not really seen crowds jumping small groups of Ice agents to rescue their neighbours.
The one issue is they want that to happen. Then they can justify using Force against people as they try to do this. One of the reasons they brought national guard into many of these cities was so that way if it devolved into the use of force they had justification to start shooting immigrants.
You are absolutely correct. I am not sure I would be able to stay that diciplined for this long.
At some point, I expect they wont care about having an excuse and start escalating the violence anyway.
I can guarantee they're going to continue test late until they get to that point. They're testing the waters to see how far Americans are willing to let it go. They're already getting followed they're already getting filmed that already getting the whistle brigades after them which currently are one of the best uses because it draws attention to what they're doing they can't do it in the secret and the fact that they started hitting these guys to snowballs and started fighting back in other ways really does help.
If you want an example of what they're waiting on you look at the shooting that happened at the two national guard members in Washington dc. Most likely was false flag attack and it was sponsored by the CIA because it was an ex CIA trained agent that did the shootings. And they probably paid him and his family a rather huge sum or guaranteed that his family would receive full asylum in the united states. Which I'm sure will be stripped away from them the moment they deem that he is no longer useful to them.
I have seen videos of exactly that in Chicago actually. In the one, the masked assholes just get up, jump into their shitty unmarked sedan and drive off.
I've seen tons of videos where exactly that happens, some of them as little as four people walking towards them purposely sent them running. I think I've only seen one where they managed to get someone already handcuffed away, but tons where ICE just gets back in their cars and leave
Maybe it would work if there was a joke allegory about some strangers living in a barn, with a new born baby whilst their country is occupied by colonialist guys that invented fasces.
You know, Christmas.
Honestly, I’m surprised nobody whipped out a phone, hit record, screamed “world star” and beat his ass.
Filming a beating while yelling worldstar was the bane of the internet. Now it has become what we need.