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"Let's not recommended vaccines, leave it to the experts", bro, the experts are the reason vaccines are recommended in the first place
This is like telling everyone to "do their own research".
I'm just agog at how stupid this is, even for this administration. Which is saying a lot.
Also, I remember when lots of gaslighting cons and brainless so-called leftists and centrists were claiming others were overreacting at a complete idiot like Bobby Brainworm with no education or experience being given authority like this...RFK jr has exactly zero qualifications for this position.
Goddamn is this so fucking stupid.
We used to be something, I guess. But we have always been saddled with a lot of racist dumbfuck anti-intellectuals who are so very jealous of people who are educated and know things and the dumbfucks are the ones being catered to now.
The ironic thing is the whole anti vax movement was started by rich Hollywood liberal morons, and now Republican morons are gobbling it up....
Probably one of the best examples of the horseshoe theory in action. I have had people I know go from the Goop/Gaiam kind of thing where they are into crystals eating organic foods and not vaccinating their kids and voting for/talking about the Green Party while in their twenties and thirties, but mostly hold liberal-ish values, even if they vote infrequently. Then time passes, Donvict comes down that escalator and they are talking about this dipshit nonstop with stars in their eyes: about how he's going to get us out of endless wars vs. Hillary who is going to "start WWIII" and other such Russian-style agitprop. I don't know if a worm got into their brains, too, or if it's aging or hormones gone wild or they just were always really bad at critical thought.
There were always the ultra-religious OG whackjobs even before the recent-ish antivaxx stuff started in the 90s with the Goop demographic...you had xtian zealots and the likes of the Amish. Resistance to vaccines in the early days often came from obviously terrible people with stunted morality proclaiming it was going against the will of (their) god.
And then there are just all the contrarian type of assholes that feel they are really thinking for themselves when they hear experts say something and they just say, "nuh-uh! yOu cAn'T mAkE mE!"
And by "defer to doctors," they mean "let insurance companies penalize patients for following doctors' recommendations." Just wait, you'll see.
And the poorest people will suffer disproportionately. This is truly horrible
I’d imagine what’s getting buried here is this is going to lead to a situation where the feds and some states stop paying for vaccines.
These people think in terms of profits over 2 year election cycles…they don’t give a flying fuck about long term public health.
Oh no, that's the point! Cause now it's an "elective" or "optional" something that'll just get immediately declined by their donors...
Sucks for anyone in a racist southern state. We are having our rights taken away slowly every year by the GOP. Not enough Dems to counteract all the Gerrymandering to change the system...yet.
And doctors will recommend vaccines.
And next they'll go after doctors for doing so.
Not necessarily.
Hopefully the Otters do a better job with the world.
Insurance might decide against paying for optional vaccines.
Insurance can look at long term statistics and say if you don't get the vaccine, your premiums will double.
Yeah, I think the suggestion that insurance companies wouldn't cover them is crazy. It will be significantly more expensive for them to cover widespread illness than vaccines. Everything is money to them. Shit, there could be incontrovertible proof vaccines cause autism, and insurance companies would say hey, it's cheaper than measles, you must do it or we won't cover you.
The big expenses from getting Hepatitis B happen a decade or more from when you get the infection. A different insurer picks up the tab if you decline to cover vaccination.
Nope... "preexisting condition... not covered"
This is a real shit show
They will only cover them if it's profitable, otherwise, they won't if they're not forced to
That would mean they're looking beyond the next quarter.
They always look beyond the next quarter. Thata kind of their whole thing actually, finding the leaks risky things to insure so they never have to pay out.
The goal, as was stated extremely clearly in Project 2025, is to kill off 200,000,000 Americans
Where do they say this?
Reduce the US population by almost 2/3rds?
Press X to Doubt.
It's more accurate the way you put it, but yeah that's their goal. They don't care if they leave or die as long as its reduced
I don't think they can achieve it. That is their stated goal.
I thought their main concern was raising birth rates, at least for white people.
I scrolled through all the policy headers in the Project 2025 Wikipedia article, and didn't find anything like this. If anything, my impression from Project 2025 and aligned people is they want the "right kind of Americans" (conservative married Christian whites) to have many more children than they currently plan to.
What you might be remembering is the way Project 2025 and aligned people make references to Social Darwinism themes. One example article covering this: https://worldcrunch.com/in-the-news/rfk-jr-health-agenda-german-view/
“A very central concept of social Darwinism,” says Roelcke, “is that of contraselection.” This refers to the idea that social measures and medical care in a society override natural selection. And according to social Darwinists, this is a highly problematic behavior in modern societies because it leads to so-called degeneration.
“Social Darwinism,” says medical historian Roelcke, “is about taking away social support or access to medical care from the weak, that is, the sick or vulnerable, and leaving them to fend for themselves.” The fact that they then died earlier was not only of no concern to the Social Darwinists, but even desired.
Kennedy’s handling of the largest measles outbreak the U.S. has experienced in decades clearly shows echoes of social Darwinism. Namely, when he falsely claimed that no healthy children were dying from measles and that poor nutrition played a role in the deaths. RFK Jr. is saying between the lines that it’s not the healthy, the fit, and the strong who are dying, but only the weak.
Americans, how come you've allowed your country to get so stupid?
I think on Lemmy you're pretty much only talking to the Americans who are more upset and frustrated than you are about it.
Criminally under-funding, and undermining the public schooling system for at least two decades (Bush Jr.), or longer if you consider Reagan’s ‘81 Omnibus as the start of the current downward spiral.
It’s not hard to figure out why Republicans are so anti-education; you have to be an idiot to think that their policies would be good for the working class.
40 something here - what if I told you it was always this stupid but shame kept it under lock and key?
Gen X here - regarding vaccines, I think the anti-vaccine thing was always there, but on the fringes. I think that in particular has progressively gotten stupider and more common as older generations have died off.
The younger generations have not seen the outcomes of many diseases....it was probably already headed for Peak Stupidity until the young and naive and generally clueless (despite the tech being there, most humans seem to refuse to employ the time-binding thing when it comes to knowledge and wisdom, and that's even with a functioning public schooling system. The conservatives have been trying to destroy any semblance of such for decades) experienced those diseases for themselves or for their children or grandchildren.
And then Covid happened. And then whole new levels of idiocy were reached. And now donvict's second term + RFK jr is out to kill even more Americans.
Sooner or later, they'll ban vaccines. Then somehow blame the left when kids die
They'll just praise nurgle for his blessings. For he gives true happiness and love to humanity.
Death cult gonna death cult.
Weird way to implement population control
The same right-wing nuts who think LGBTQ+ people are aiming for depopulation, are cheering for vaccines to go away
Defer to doctors... That's where the GDMF recommendations came from before being politicized. Get the politics out of the CDC again and the problems of having recommendations come from doctors is resolved.
Next step will be to disqualify any doctor who recommends vaccinations from getting medicaid payments or some other disgusting inhumane act.