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Hamas calls on Israel to allow impartial investigation into 7 October attacks (www.middleeasteye.net)

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Hamas has called on Israel to allow an impartial international investigation into its attack on 7 October 2023 and has rejected that it killed civilians or committed atrocities.

“The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews. We challenge [Israel] to prove otherwise,” it said.

In the new document, Hamas said that “Western media and Zionist lobby groups” had launched a disinformation campaign about the events of the attack.

“The Israeli entity promoted a series of lies and fallacies about killing children and raping women, paving the way to proceed with an all-out genocide project that was pre-planned and aimed to erase Gaza from existence,” it said.

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[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm kinda wondering what the goal is here.

It's mostly been suppressed, but there's a good amount of footage from the day, recording it seemed like a priority. Like, here on Lemmy if someone could somehow avoid things getting removed and post the footage we'd just have someone saying it's AI or just generically sealioning and then whichever opinion felt more unpopular would be suppressed, but we're talking about organizations who can actually verify sources.

My best guess is they're hoping they find more bad stuff from Israel than Hamas, and that might be a solid play but I kinda doubt it. Most of the footage from the day of I've seen just make Israel feel kinda incompetent.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Israel wants to hide how many people were killed by the Hannibal directive, has made up a fake rape hoax and did much more lying to manufacture consent for the genocide.

Much of the Western audience still believes this obvious propaganda because Israel blocks all investigations into it and Western media uncritically repeats every Israeli lie.

[–] Adam_Crock@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s ironic that I find Hamas more believable than Israel. many people no longer trust the Israeli government

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world -5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

you can see in this thread that people love the jewish conspiracy fantasies and the glorious arab freedom fighters can do no wrong

it's been that way for 100 years since the jews started moving back

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 1 points 3 hours ago

the only fantasy being touted here is the moving back part and the revisioned history you try to establish. are you a racist and supremacist, what do you think?

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Which of the known genocidal liars do you believe? A) Israel B) Hamas C) none of the above

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Hamas aren't genocidal.

Armed Opposition to colonialism is enshrined in international law.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If they were not intentionally targeting civilians in their military operations, you would be correct. Same as Israel, they say they dont do it, but they do.

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

That‘s called terror then, not being genocidal. Wanting to erase a whole people, by bombing all infrastructure, housing, hospitals, killing journalists and paramedics, sniping little children, poisening, blocking aid, blocking access to water, to food, erasing the culture of a people and stealing it to make it your own, systemically imprison, rape and torture people based on their ethnicity and boasting about it, clarifying its intend in social media, the press, the parliament — now that is genocidal and has been very clear since the end if 2023. Get fucked with your both sides apologia, creep.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago)

The fact that both side's propoganda is extremely agressive against the both sides argument, is part of why this is a forever conflict. They all want to lay 100% of the blame on the other party.

If Palistinians and Israelis are not willing to acknowlege they both have to sacrifice their absolutism and fanatisism, this conflict will not end.

Every other conflict of this type only stopped when BOTH parties wanted it to end and made those sacrifices.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

But Hamas wants to wipe out the Israeli people, so by your own definition, that genocide. They're not currently capable, which makes one wonder what their objective was in the October attacks. It seems that they did it to goad Israel into tracking them and the using social media of the carnage to gain support internationally. That explains why they prepped protests across the globe (that started before Israel attacked). Unfortunately Israel went off the deep end and used it as an excuse to go way over the top, killing and abusing so many civilians. There are no good guys.

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Hamas is being used as a stand-in for the Palestinian people, an excuse for violence against a people that is being suppressed and killed since the inception of Israel. The only users claiming Hamas to be „the good guys“ are usually Hasbara bros (you) trying to equate the oppressor with the oppressed. If settlers stole my land and killed all the people I’ve ever known and had done so for a century, you bet I’d want them gone — the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves. What I would not support is stealing other peoples land and killing them for their audacity to exist on said land — but that‘s what you are defending, tho.

I‘ve got nothing else to say to you, as you‘ve either been ingesting too much israeli propaganda, are an islamophopic racist or are straight up a Zionist yourself. There is no good faith in sight, with the kind of talking points you vomit out. That really makes one wonder.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Good for Hamas. Not likely that Israel does so.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 12 points 22 hours ago (17 children)

They did kidnap a bunch of people and kill a load more, so they can fuck off.

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed and genocided for 77 years. Their occupiers are violent, racist monsters who control Western governments and brainwash people with their victimhood propaganda.

Frankly they can get fucked and go back to Europe where they're from.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It's funny because

Israel has been funding Hamas (Bibi himself has spoken multiple times about it) for many years, giving them the equipment to do October 7th.
Israel activated the hannibal directive according to their own (now former) defense minister on a live TV interview which means that on October 7th, many many many of the civilians and IDF soldiers that died were deliberately killed by the IDF themselves.
It takes 45 minutes to fly from end to end by helicopter. Many Israeli official has refused to deny that there was a stand down order, but the army was not deployed at all until hours and hour and hours later, when they could have driven with tanks there and back again multiple times, with an army of 165,000 in a country the size of new jersey, outnumbering them 28:1 with 100x the equipment on home turf (by Israels massively inflated numbers too)
Some of the Israeli hostages were not tortured in prison with Hama's by their own tongues, but were then raped when she got back to Israel. Meanwhile Palestinian hostages are tortured daily for decades, eyes gouged out, as well as gang raped and raped by trained rottweilers by Israeli forces, and civilian Israeli doctors don't report on it, but instead enable it.

As far as anyone should be concerned. Israel funded, executed their own attack of their own civilians, and enabled it by standing down as well as treated their own civilian hostages they took (and continue taking) 10x worse.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My conspiracy is that it was really Israeli who attacked on that day and blamed it on Hamas. Because Israeli sure has used that day to commit genocide.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You don't need conspiracy theories when the facts are out there. Israel helped Hamas get funding in order to destabilise the government of the time. There is evidence that Israel knew there would be an attack and did nothing to prevent it. There was no need for a false flag attack by Israel because they had Hamas to do it for them. Hamas and Israel need each other to keep the perpetual war going. They are both appalling bastards who are happy to let their own innocent citizens die in order to keep their insane hatred fed.

[–] doben@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Israel does not need Hamas, they‘ve been genociding Palestinians for a century.

Israel is a violent settler colonial project for a jewish supremacy ideology.

Hamas is a propped up excuse for Israel to continue this shit.

You are low key both-siding a genocide.

E: But since you‘ve been doing it all through this thread, you still need to be called out. So, where are you idiologically? You sure argue like a liberal Zionist, or are you just so sure of yourself, despite actually just repeating colonial talking points?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yes cleary Israel has never done that or attack civilians and destroy their homes. Nope never, not once.

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

That's just whataboutism, though

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 4 points 13 hours ago

Yes and no. If it is framed as "Israel did it as well", then yes it's a whataboutism. But if it is framed in history, where Israel is the occupiers with overwhelming resources and has turned Gaza into an open air prison, then no, it's not a whataboutism but illustrating a larger pattern of violence.

[–] Vupware@lemmy.zip 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Violence begets violence. If someone shot at me I’d shoot back, wouldn’t you?

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

It doesn't work as well at a national scale. If you shoot my sister, that doesn't mean I should shoot your sister.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

No that happened before Oct 7th and is in large part the cause of Oct 7th.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Oh its bad to resist colonial occupation sorry I forget my high horse back home.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Then kill their fucking soldiers, their politicians, their hypercapitalists, profiteering. Killing, torturing, maiming, raping and kidnapping civilians is not resistance. Fuck those fuckers.

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[–] kn33@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews.

I don't think that's the issue most people had with it, so I don't see how proving you're right about it would help.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Gaza has been levelled and its people starved on the ostensible statement of ‘getting hamas’. If the excuse for all of this was ‘Hamas killed people’, well Israel kills people therefore Israeli cities would be justifiable targets for the same treatment gaza got.

It’s not enough for the enemy to kill people. The enemy must always commit unspeakable atrocities. Hence the allegations of beheaded babies and systemic acts of rape. While you may think that it’s not important to investigate these things it clearly is, otherwise Israel would not be making such claims with no evidence.

Saying that your enemy beheads children and rapes women is all part of a dehumanisation strategy to justify genocidal acts and is common amongst oppressors to the oppressed. E.g. African American being characterised as hypersexualised savages who would rape white women in the jim crow south.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 3 points 13 hours ago

Most people are ignorant of the Nakba or the policy of "mowing the grass"

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