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[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Top Gun is probably the single gayest thing that the human race has ever created and straight men just think it's the bee's knees.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See also: Commando. And Red Heat. Honestly, straight men spent a lot of the 80s and 90s lusting after Arnold Schwarzenegger's rippling muscles.

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago

Kumail Nanjiani was asked in an interview if he's been getting more attention from women since bulking up. He said something along the lines of "it's mostly been a lot of attention from straight guys too be honest."

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

🎼Highway to the gayer zone🎶

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

the first one

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lesbian yaoi is the best ngl, not even a lesbian, it just is.

[–] multiplewolves@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

“Gay men yaoi” as shown is known as “bara”.

Still a very accurate graphic.

Edited for clarity.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It's not a contradiction, although I also thought that for a bit. I think with《"a [b]" c》, "a [b]" is describing the artists' sexual orientation, not the subject of the drawing.

So that's gay men's depiction/conception of yaoi.

[–] HowdyLemmy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Now this is why we learn maths/logic!

[–] multiplewolves@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yaoi is generally by women. That’s part of the definition.

When it looks like that second panel, it isn’t yaoi, it’s bara (at least in English).

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Who says women can’t be gay men? Like Anne Rice, yaoi queen!

[–] multiplewolves@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Afaik, Anne Rice was not trans. Many women identify with gay men in my experience. Her writing was very typical of women writing men.

Her writing doesn’t represent the bara-type content shown in the second panel of the post, and to that point, your counterpoint is to the graphic in the post rather than to me.

The picture in “gay mens yaoi” is characteristic of bara, for which there is already a term. I was just pointing that out. I wasn’t picking a fight.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was just joking around :)

Her writing definitely falls under the “straight woman” yaoi stereotype in my opinion. I just think she’s neat and very silly.

[–] unknown@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why do you find Anne Rice so neat and silly?

I read some of her vampire books when I was young teenager and getting into gothy stuff and every single one that I picked up had multiple and extensively detailed csa scenes with children who adored their abusers.

I gave up trying to read her books when I realised this was a recurring theme.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Because they’re horror novels. They’re beautifully written, thought provoking and creative.

I’m glad you stopped reading them if you found them too disturbing.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it? I've always heard that it's マなしチなし味なし, "no climax, punch, or meaning", which I think is just based on early criticism about it mostly being flagrant homosexual sex, rather than having much plot to it?

[–] multiplewolves@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This isn’t a hill I’m willing to die on, but here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bara_(genre): Bara is distinct from yaoi, a genre of Japanese media focusing on homoerotic relationships between male characters that historically has been created by and for women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys%27_love: The term yaoi (/ˈjaʊi/  YAH-oiJapanese: やおい [jaꜜo.i]) emerged as a name for the genre in the late 1970s and early 1980s in the context of dōjinshi (self-published works) culture as a portmanteau of yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi("no climax, no point, no meaning"), where it was used in a self-deprecating manner to refer to amateur fan works that focused on sex to the exclusion of plot and character development, and that often parodied mainstream manga and anime by depicting male characters from popular series in sexual scenarios. "Boys' love" was later adopted by Japanese publications in the 1990s as an umbrella term for male–male romance media marketed to women.

So it depends on where you look.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago

I should've quoted, I was mostly wondering about the "part of the definition" as I've only heard of it being, well the portmanteau. To be fair I've mostly ever heard if called BL in a modern context so that makes sense to me.

Thank you, though! :)

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Okay, hang on, lesbian yaoi sounds like an oxymoron.

Is it common for lesbians to like yaoi? I guess if you’re not sex repulsed by men and enjoy romance in general then you’re probably fine reading stories about mlm romance, but to seek out mlm stories specifically when you’re interested in women seems curious to me.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Who I want to fuck doesn’t necessarily overlap with who I want to read stories about. I’m happy to read about or even watch sex acts I’d never want to actually participate in.

[–] unknown@piefed.social 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As someone who Identifies as aro/ace and pan (i.e. not interested in having sex or intimate relationships, but still attracted to folk), I cannot upvote this enough.

Getting off to something is very, very different from actually wanting to participate in it irl.

Team footballers and maybe the bear, here.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it'd be really weird to need to be able to get off to every character/story you read about. As a gay dude, that'd be a struggle on account of all the hetero characters in all the media. I feel like most of the time I read something that has non-hetero characters in it, they're mostly lesbians, or bisexual.


Completely off-topic, but I've seen your handle a few times now and it makes me happy every time.

[–] unknown@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Admittedly I don't actually read yaoi myself, but I was under the impression it was basically just illustrated smut with/without plot, no?

Thank you for the complimemt btw, seeing cat emoticons makes me happy too. ฅ(•˕ •マ₊˚⊹♡

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Haven't read yaoi myself either, so I wouldn't know, but that's basically what yaoi means. 「ヤマなしオチなし意味なし」, "no climax, point, or meaning."

[–] unknown@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's basically my life. Pity I'm not into it.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fascinating, I’m fine reading or watching stories with characters/romance that don't align with my sexual preferences, but I guess I typically don’t like watching sex-scenes in general even if it is with people I’d be attracted to.

Definitely related to me being on the asexuality spectrum, but im not a fan of sex scenes in shows because I’m not watching the show for porn I wanted a story lol

Anyway, you sound like you might be in the former group I mentioned where you don’t feel sex repulsed by individuals you aren’t sexually attracted to, and you just enjoy the romance/story in general.

Do you have a preference specifically for stories about those you aren’t attracted to? And if so, do you think that preference is related to the kind of sexual relationship directly, or more to the dynamics of the relationships typically portrayed in yaoi vs yuri vs hetero media being different and you prefer a kind of relationship dynamic more common in yaoi than the others?

Honestly the real solution to my curiosity would probably be for me to read a bunch of yaoi and compare, but idk if I’m invested enough for that lol. Plus how am I to know if the yaoi is straight-woman yaoi or gay-man yaoi or lesbian yaoi? (If the meme is accurate I get the feeling I’d dislike straight-women yaoi just for the art style alone, and that would greatly bias my data towards the gay kinds of yaoi lol)

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’m also not watching or reading for porn, I’m there for the story. It’s just that sometimes, sex IS the story. Not just romance, but horror, drama, comedy. A well written story can have sex scenes that are about developing love, character growth, interpersonal conflict, trauma, etc. It doesn’t have to be sexy to be a good sex scene. I think that’s actually a lot of the appeal of lesbian yaoi - those sex scenes are more likely to be about WHY the characters are using their dicks than HOW they’re using them.

Not to discount how good lesbian yaoi sex scenes are, thank you ladies for your tireless efforts in making the boys kiss.

How do you know if it’s lesbian yaoi? If a lesbian gives you yaoi, that’s how you know I guess. She will say, “please look at this drawing of Jesus making out with Judas and let me and my girlfriend know what you think” or something like that.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

I'm aroace, and I get that, I'm not a big fan of having to see any sex scenes either. Not a big issue, but the more graphic ones do make me a bit uncomfortable. Sex scenes in stories aren't normally meant for porn though, just for the story, so ir's normally fine.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

Lots of lesbians are very interested in watching boys kiss.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

It’s all catgirls

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wow, I hate this more than manhwa shoulders

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Had to Google this lmfao

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it'll never cease to astound me how many people can look at their own art and go "yeah this is great, publish it for all to see"

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

It can still bring joy! Yaoi hands are great.

[–] inkzombie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why does lesbian yaoi look like Death Note?

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Maybe Takeshi Obata is a secret lesbian?

[–] gegil@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yaoi is so unpopular compared to yuri, so i guess its fine if yaoi now has women. At least there will be more yaoi.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

Interesting, I hear more about yaoi. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I imagine it depends a lot on the kinds of spaces you hang out in. I'd assume that yaoi was more popular than yuri in 2010s tumblr.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did I fucking miss something‽

Why is everyone just casually using this and other words I have never heard before? I feel like I'm having a stroke or developed a strange, new, and exotic aphasia!

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yaoi has been in semi common use for about 20 years I want to say, mostly in japan enthusiast circles.

You noticing it everywhere is pretty common for words you only just learned, it's called the frequency illusion.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

Fuck you're right! I actually just heard it yesterday watching the agdq stream.