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All the other discussions I found on Lemmy dismiss it because they find the idea of a second phone ridiculous. Or because they don't buy into the "dumb phone" concept. But I think it makes a compelling phone on it's own, and you wouldn't need a second.

But really look into it. By every indication it appears designed to be a fully featured main phone. It has some compromises made to fit the keyboard first philosophy, but it has everything you'd need and more. Dual SIM (eSIM+physical), a headphone jack, micro SD Card support, a 50mp camera with OIS (I know megapixels don't mean much but I think it shows it's not gonna be the cheapest crap camera), NFC/Google Pay support, Android Auto, Qi2... That doesn't read "second phone" to me. It's just.... phone.

They have now said that it will have an unlockable bootloader too. I'm not finding much to dislike here. 8GB of RAM is somewhat low but should be fine. The processor is still a question mark but honesty as long as it's not bottom of the barrel it should be perfectly fine. I have always gone for flagship phones but honestly I've started analyzing what I actually do on my phone and I pretty much never push the hardware. I like knowing I have the top of the line but I basically just web browse, message, read email, scroll Lemmy, and listen to music/podcasts. Very occasionally watch some YouTube but that's usually on my TV or PC. No gaming or anything. I should be able to do all of that on this device, some of it won't be as good on that screen obviously but it should still be doable. I need the camera to at least be decent. Not great just not garbage. Like it's fine if the low light performance is meh and the video isn't the best. But I don't want to look at my photos and regret taking it with that device, so we'll see.

I don't want a dumb phone, and I don't think this is one. You should be able to do everything any other phone can. I don't think it's a second phone either. I think they're just leaning into that for marketing reasons, so that when anyone points out the tradeoffs of this form factor they can just wave it away as a secondary device.

It appeals to me because it's a small phone. Seriously nobody makes one worth using. Unihertz sure, if you want a bad software experience with no updates ever. But otherwise you just have the non-plus sized iPhone/Galaxy S. Those are considered small. Or maybe the flip-foldables. It also appeals to me because it has major character and (imo) style. I'm bored of glass and metal sandwiches. Give me this! A plastic device with a swappable back that has a (vegan?) leather option? Hell yeah.

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This Lemmy comment will be performed in the voice of that fat British guy on Youtube shorts that talks about marketing

You see, the problem with marketing it as a "second phone" is that you're implying that it's too shit to be someone's first phone. Or that you've chosen to do something to it that would make it impossible to live with.

I remember in 2018, Verizon started offering a tiny little Android phone branded as a Palm of all things, and that small but vocal minority who insist they want small phones started clamoring for it only to be told that it's a "companion device" and you still had to have another device active on that line. It cost $350 plus $10 a month on top of another device and plan.

There was essentially no one on earth who wanted a special phone they only used to take to the gym with them, they refused to sell it to people who specifically wanted it, and so it didn't sell well, to say the least.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

"Smart enough" would have been nice marketing, no?

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 63 points 2 days ago (6 children)

8gig of RAM is a bit low

Manufacturers are going to ship laptops with 8gb ram in 2026!!

My smart phone has 6GB of RAM. I've managed.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

Oh wow, my incredibly snappy phone currently has 8GB of ram.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This looks awesome and would consider looking more into it as a real alternative to the current crap, BUT....

  • I will never buy a product that isn't already produced and ready to ship. Funding campaigns like this are imo most likely scams, very often not serious and if they truly are great, I'd rather wait for V2 or V3 to come, before buying

  • the physical keyboard is great for english users but terrible for people who need to use 2 or 3 languages on their phones.

  • I need android or iPhone to run the local authentication apps for banking, doctors appointments app and even some times payment methods

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 days ago

I will never buy a product that isn't already produced and ready to ship. Funding campaigns like this are imo most likely scams, very often not serious and if they truly are great, I'd rather wait for V2 or V3 to come, before buying

To be fair this company already ships hardware in physical retail stores (keyboard cases for existing phones). I'm fairly certain they're serious here but yeah waiting for the real deal is always a better bet.

the physical keyboard is great for english users but terrible for people who need to use 2 or 3 languages on their phones.

That's true, or depends on which languages. Some use QWERTY layouts already like Spanish. I'm bilingual in Spanish and don't forsee any issue with typing in Spanish on this. They have said that holding down a key works like you'd expect, bringing up diacritics/alternate symbols. The typing suggestions can be bilingual no issue. They said they do want to ship more keyboard variants (QWERTZ/etc) but can't commit to more SKUs at this stage.

I need android or iPhone to run the local authentication apps for banking, doctors appointments app and even some times payment methods

Non-issue. This is an Android phone, that will supposedly have the latest version and full Play Store access.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 93 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Why the hell would I want a "second phone"? I don't like my first phone. I want a phone that I don't hate, not a second phone to add to my misery.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I think the intent is to be a "work device"

A lot of companies will be lazy or have a BYOD policy. You will likely be asked to install extra security and monitoring software on your personal device to view work related info or check email.

The simple way to avoid this is to just get a second phone, and given how this device is has a smaller profile than a mid-range smart phone, its a good marketing bit.

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[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Echoing that I'm really tempted to get this as a work phone. It would be great to turn my work phone off at the end of the day and not see it.

My work is great about boundaries, too; I want this for my challenges cycling out of "work mode" to be present for my family (and myself, for that matter).

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All the other discussions I found on Lemmy dismiss it because they find the idea of a second phone ridiculous. Or because they don’t buy into the “dumb phone” concept.

Looks like OP made a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 days ago

Yeah I thought I made it clear what I was trying to say. This looks like a good phone on it's own. Like sell your old phone and buy this to replace it. Not a second phone.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not a clue. Wouldn't want that either. That's why I want it as my only phone....

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[–] obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If it has even decent custom ROM support I would 100% consider it. I hate it as a second device but as a main I love the design.

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[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The screenshot looks like Niagara Launcher.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is, they're partnering with them to make a customized version for the phone.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Whoah! Having recently tried the launcher, I could see how that would pair really well with a physical keyboard in that you can get to any app with ~2 clicks by typing it's first letter and tapping the screen, or even without looking at the screen by typing the whole name and hitting enter.

I never had a phone with a physical qwerty keypad, I went straight from a T-9 and Palm Graffiti (the best input method for a decade!) to full touchscreens. Having said that, this looks interesting and I do think they found a market niche. I'd be interested to mess with it for a couple of days to see how the form factor would work for me.

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 39 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I might be in the minority here but I will not use a phone that I can't strip Google Play and other Google services out of, so it would need support from something like Lineage, Graphene, e, Linux, etc before I would consider it.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean they said the bootloader is unlockable so at least being able to disable Google services should be possible. We'll see how community support goes.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 12 points 2 days ago

If it's flashable and the community support is good enough then this might be my next device. Will have to check on it once the community drops support for my ancient secondhand phone. XD

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

$400usd to pre order a phone thats almost the same as the phone i had in 2011, but golly would I like to have one

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It does look good but solves nothing when it comes to Google/Android turning hostile to stuff like LineageOS, F-Droid, etc.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 day ago

No, but while I'd love a Linux phone it's just not viable for me yet. They can't make phone calls in my country without VoLTE support.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 34 points 2 days ago

256GB on-board + expandable MicroSD card storage up to 2TB

$400. Reservation 200.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 26 points 2 days ago (11 children)

I'm not thrilled about the processor, but this guy is still on my radar because of the physical keyboard and expandable storage, not upset to see a headphone jack either.

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I'm a current clicks user on my Motorola Razr and I preordered this to use as my singular phone. I use my phone as a communication device, not for media consumption, I watch a video on my phone once a week and use Lemmy. So far the square screen of the RAZR works great for this except for the few times the OS requires the inside screen and the placement of the external cameras.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Communicator will launch on Android 16, with support for up to at least Android 20. We’re committing to a minimum of 4 years of Android version updates and 5 years of security updates.

Idk, Pixels ate supported for like 7 years. So after about 5 years, this phone is toast?

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

minimum of 4 years of Android version updates and 5 years of security updates.

*if we dont go bankrupt

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago

Just out of interest how long do you keep a phone because I feel like 5 years is pretty much around the time everyone's looking to get a new phone.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pixel batteries will degrade to the point of being annoying in under 7 years. 5 years is a pretty good lifespan for a phone.

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[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This a phone made by a youtuber. Do with that information what you want

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 day ago

True, though they do have help from some people who worked at/designed the old BlackBerry and have shipped several well received pieces of hardware before.

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