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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 27 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

What? I don't know when any of these were not perceived as skills. I'm not saying this to be elitist either; I'm fucking embarrassing at all three.

This post has a solid, positive message of "we should be wary of being too rigid in our assessments of human creativity" and "just let yourself have fun", but it comes from a really weird assumption that humans haven't been judging humans for these things for literally ever.

When did the "so now" part start, exactly? And how are we arbitrarily delineating "skills" and "behaviors"? Distance running is a quintessential human behavior, but it's also a skill.

[–] draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 10 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I think maybe they were thinking pre-modern history? But even now, people do dance and sing around campfires, and 'arts and crafts' exist which is a pretty low judgement activity.

[–] placebo@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Do they sing and dance for fun? I mean, even for other animals dancing and singing is part of their mating rituals, so being better than others is beneficial. IMO, this predates not only modern history, but homo sapiens in general.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I even tried to consider pre-history, and it's always some level of unfounded or even contradictory. I won't mince words: the post seems to just be making shit up based on some idealized version of the (naïvely homogenized) past, and I seriously doubt its author could produce any relevant, credible sources they've read that support this very niche talking point.

[–] draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The other way around also has a false assumption in it. OK, maybe bees don't have the concept if skill so much, but birds most certainly do judge singing/dancing skill (when selecting mates).

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yeah, wait, I completely overlooked that because I got so distracted by the human thing. Bird songs are among the most "the only reason this is done is so that it can be judged" things in nature, and it's one of two things listed. The other one is something the bee needs to be good at and only exists for pragmatism. I cannot with this post.

[–] adhd_traco@piefed.social 2 points 7 hours ago

~ We do kinesiology without apology ~

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

I appreciate the sentiment, too many people put too much pressure on themselves to only do that sort of stuff if they're trying to get better at ot.

But birds and bees absolutely don't do either of those things just for the hell of it.

[–] pilferjinx@piefed.social 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Hobbies are supposed to be a fun activity in which your skill with it generally increases, no?

[–] tyler@programming.dev 6 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

You’re calling it a hobby. That’s not what the image says. They’re behaviors. Like walking. You wouldn’t expect someone to think walking is a “fun activity in which your skill with it generally increases”. It’s just a fact of existing.

[–] pilferjinx@piefed.social 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The image doesn't mention walking. Singing, dancing, and art. I consider those to be hobbies, don't you? I define hobbies as fun unnecessary activity, or in this case - behavior.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 1 hour ago

If 99.9% of people on the planet do it, it’s not a hobby. It’s a behavior.

[–] bobo1900@startrek.website 4 points 9 hours ago

My behavior, now and a as child was to open things for curiosity. My hobby now is to thinker with dismantled electronic. Is this a hobby or a behavior?

I don't think such stricts definitions really apply to humans.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You wouldn’t expect someone to think walking is a “fun activity in which your skill with it generally increases”.

I do. Why? Cause there are people who don't know how to walk. Or have any spatial awareness.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

But 99.9% of people on the planet do know how to walk. If people don’t have special awareness, then doing more walking isn’t gonna help that.

[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

This is ladyB screeching about the fantasy hell scape she's made up in her mind. I honestly can't recall a single person irl thinking like this. It's certainly not common.

The digital equivalent to your partner being pissed off at a dream they had about you

Nobody is giving you a report card on dancing.

My mom: "Why did you have to quit dance lessons as a child? Didn't you know you were supposed to become a famous dancer pianist doctor who also sings and sells paintings on the side!?!? How could you do this to meeeeeeee???"

[–] TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id 3 points 9 hours ago

But bees are good at making hives :(