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It's 2026 and people still say shit like "communism is when government does a thing so the US army doing bad shit isn't capitalism actually!"

I know this probably isn't helpful to say but sometimes I wonder if it's even possible to reach people politically when peoples understanding is so warped and confused. How do we fight against such a giant flow of ignorance and propaganda?

It feels like an impossible task when people don't even know what words mean.

I really appreciate and respect people who continue to try and educate people on these things because they must have the patience of a saint to not get burnt out.

EDIT: man, you guys are giving me such detailed answers that I totally don't deserve. Thank you, and sorry for my initial defeatism.

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[–] SwagliacciTheBadClown@hexbear.net 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Aim for the bullseye (pdf)

I like the bullseye model labor notes uses to describe workplace organization. Working from the inside out to try and build a mobilized mass which brings in others over time as they realize their views align with the groups actions

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 7 points 21 hours ago

I really like this and it's interesting because it's very similar to Mao's concept of the mass line, which I always find myself bringing myself back to when it comes to any sort of organizing work.

It's funny though, I wrote out a comment that completely contradicts your take here. Personally I switch between a mass line style of work when it comes to driving change within groups or orgs or workplaces etc. but in terms of engaging people generally, whether it's online or out in the wild, I tend to focus on agitation against capitalism to "bring up the intermediate" (to use Mao's framing) because it's not practical to do much more than that aside from isolating the backwards (e.g. calling out the person with the username EdgelordFourteenEightyEight and asking them what those numbers mean in their username so that people can be like "Whoa holy shit, there's a Nazi in our midst! I'm not taking anything they say on board wtf.")

I'm all about a diversity of tactics and I think an important aspect of avoiding feeling defeated is a clarity of purpose in what you're working towards - if it's getting the average Joe to internalize clear, accurate definitions of capitalism and communism and imperialism and colonialism then you're probably gonna set yourself up for disappointment in a lot of cases. But if your aim is to help them understand why capitalism sucks or how imperialism is fucking everyone over or to get them to join their union, you're probably gonna come out feeling like you've achieved something in the discussion.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The fact climate change is putting a massive timer on civilization achieving communism is a lot more concerning to me then any group of people being ignorant of communism. If we had any amount of time it would be a non issue. Time is the problem imo

[–] juniper@hexbear.net 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Eggnog I love you because you autistically adhere to the same party line I do and always make a point to bring it up. People really need to internalize this. We don't have the luxury of decades to slowly build a coalition as capitalism disintegrates. The "socialism or barbarism" meme is much more literal than I think most leftists realize.

Godspeed sister catgirl-salute

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 4 points 16 hours ago

Aw, thank you. I feel like I just accept the science and it's the most important thing.

We don't have the luxury of decades to slowly build a coalition as capitalism disintegrates.

💯 People implicitly assume we have far more time then we do.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

I have had similar thoughts myself

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

Okay so, hot take but here goes:

I'm an ML and a large part of the reason for that is because it establishes a framework for how to do vanguardism.

A vanguard is really simple: it's a group of specialist organizer-activists whose theoretical and political development is extremely high. They are the specialists amongst the masses whose specialization is driving political change, bringing people together, and effectively steering orgs through challenges and contradictions. Of course there's a more Marxist, much more theory-heavy way of describing it but in simple terms a vanguard is a group of political specialists.

One major failing of many other radical tendencies is, imo, that there's an expectation that the masses achieve vanguard/near vanguard levels of theoretical and political development. I don't think that's any more possible (at least under the current conditions) than expecting the masses to become specialists in nuclear physics or linguistics or anthropology. Yes, it's probably a possibility in pure terms but in reality it's not gonna happen and that's fine. We must reconcile ourselves to this truth.

There are people who are very skilled at developing people into being vanguard level and I truly appreciate their efforts. But there's a lot of groundwork to be done as well, and that work is equally as valuable but we must not conflate one with the other; if you approach agitating for change and educating people as if you're developing someone into that vanguard level then you're gonna be prone to disappointment. Likewise the intensive work of getting someone to develop vanguard tier is gonna cause disappointment if it's applied to people who aren't deeply political and who aren't inclined that way.

If a member of the vanguard is like a marble statue then the work that goes into their development is that of a sculptor. But that marble doesn't spring forth out of nowhere - there are hundreds or even thousands of people at work making a quarry and unearthing that marble such that eventually the ideal veins of marble are uncovered and blocks can be skilfully cut from the quarry.

That quarrying work at the rock face is an analogy for agitation and it's just as valuable as carving someone into vanguard level. Not every bucket full of earth quarried will uncover the perfect vein of marble but without the quarrying work, there is no marble and ultimately no statue to be carved. Likewise there is no vanguard without a movement and there is no movement without agitation. And there is so much work to be done in agitation. I personally am very willing to have discussions about the definition of capitalism and communism and to have discussions about the history of both etc. (I'd hope that people who are familiar with my account would know that to be true.) But I think the majority of the work right now is to agitate against capitalism, imperialism, and colonialism - definitions be damned. It is far easier to educate someone who has been sufficiently radicalized against these things than it is to radicalize someone who knows about these things in an abstract, academic sense but who lacks the experience of it and the opposition to it. (These are not mutually exclusive and they should not be considered as such, although for the purposes of simplicity I'm putting it in these terms as a framing device.)

In the Russian empire, the masses had to hate their conditions sufficiently, they had to hate capitalism/feudalism, they had to hate the Tsar. But they didn't necessarily need to understand Marx on a deep level. You don't need a degree in economics to hate the bourgeoisie and you don't need any specialist education to understand that the kulak lives in a lavish home and does little work while your family lives in a draughty single-room hovel where you toil your life away using wooden plows that are drawn by hand, nor do you need it to understand the direct connection between the two.

Yes, everyone should read Marx and everyone should know the definition of political terms. But maybe, for the majority of people who aren't big theory heads, hating things and understanding enough context of the present moment is sufficient.

One thing I try to practice is speaking plainly (lol). I do it in my day to day life, although I know I have a tendency to cut loose a bit more in a space like this. In fact, my autistic brain struggles to shift gears and so I'll be speaking plainly in my default way, without the adornments of theory terms, to a well-read comrade and I'll embarrass myself because I will remember I can just say "commodity" this and "alienation" that without me talking over their heads. I think it's good practice to get comfortable with speaking to the average person in a plain way to agitate against the current state of affairs in language that resonates with them. This is the quarrying work to be done at the rock face. In most conversations I am influencing sentiment against capitalism etc. and towards all the usual good things that are too numerous to list. If someone walks away from a conversation with me feeling a little more antagonistic towards anything that is reactionary then that's what counts. A thousand, thousand shifts in sentiment against all that is reactionary is what prepares the ground for a vanguard to emerge and, eventually, for revolution itself. So I try to focus my efforts on shifting sentiment over overtly educating people, except where it's relevant and welcomed. The first step is to get everyone to hate capitalism enough.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

It was in living memory that a strong Marxist party applied so much pressure to the government that material changes were made. It is hard to remember that there are still original panthers alive today. All it would take is one stroke of luck and a party doing some mutual aid work could reach that kind of power level again. As the contradictions are increasing the odds of such a thing happening again are increasing as well.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sankara-bass As revolutionaries, we don't have the right to say we are tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.

[–] DoctimusLime@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is beautiful, well said! Can I ask you what are some of your influences? I just really like your words here so would appreciate if you could share your fav channels/thinkers Etc or anything.

Long live those who speak truth to power!

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As the emote attempted to indicate, he's quoting Thomas Sankara.

[–] DoctimusLime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 20 hours ago

Ah I see cheers

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Russia had barely broken out of feudalism by 1917. China was 90% or more illiterate peasants divided by warlords. Cuba was essentially under plantation slavery with a mafia regime in Havana.

You too, I imagine, once had a bleak misunderstanding of communism. Most people know there's are problem and know the problem is the wealth disparity, it's our job to help them understand why.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

You're 100% correct. thanks heart-sickle

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

You have to be satisfied with the incremental org-based building process, because mass consciousness doesn't happen all on its own! Good organizing can snowball, like a geometric growth, because the people you recruit and train can also recruit and train more. But the opportunity to recruit, and its effectiveness, is inconsistent. You have to be ready for the opportunities.

Join an org, friends! Help us build.

[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I dont know what communism and capitalism are.

I still want to see the death of the US Empire.

Simple as.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

People don't even know what an empire really is! ohnoes

[–] theoryenjoyer@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 3 points 20 hours ago

I just think it would be really funny joker-che

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

the youths are more positive on "communism" than they've been in a century. if we have a vanguard it doesn't matter if the masses are perfectly politically educated

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

If it's any consolation, i doubt most of the rest of the world does.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Education beyond a very basic point definitely is impossible when people don't know what words mean, but that's why after some preliminary discussion it's good to explain what words mean, like you would when teaching someone about almost any subject.

[–] FishLake@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I probably shouldn’t, but I write off people older than mid-to-late 20s as a loss. Focus on the youth. Trans the kids.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very understandable, but also worth noting that many of us here didn't become communists until our late 20s.

Hell, I still don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to be able to call myself a communist.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For what it's worth, from a Marxist perspective imo the baseline for being considered a communist has a lot more to do with what you do than what you know, even if knowledge and a good analytical framework is necessary to be a good or effective communist. If you want to be a communist, the defining trait is doing anything in the interest of ultimately ending class society. Being well-read is the defining trait of a scholar (which I don't mean in any sort of derogatory way; Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Mao were all scholars).