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[–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I was talking with a friend about this when they announced age verification. He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable, but I'm not to sure. I'm sure all of us here knew what was going on with this, but I'm sure the average person still doesnt care as much and will continue to trade away privacy for convenience. We all have family and friends who come to when something like this happens, but continue to use services afterwards. Seems like we will continue to be a fun club of like minded people here on fedi stuff with most people staying with what they know.

Sorry for the rant

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable

He's naive as hell, especially if he thinks that the average person is willing to self-host fuck-all.

This'll drive some of the more privacy-conscious users somewhere else, but some might not have an option depending on what they use it for, and many software projects etc. use Discord for support ("I just won't use that software!" is an idiot's answer to that, because again, you might not have a choice). LGBT+ folks will probably be more spooked, but even they might not have a choice.

The average user won't give a flying fuck

[–] webhead@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It's not that people won't host them. It's that no one will go there. I've run forums for years and years but people don't care anymore. Hell I don't even care that much. You can host all you want but if no one goes there, you're boned.

[–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 2 points 12 hours ago

I think he was half joking and half thinking of communities hes on that are more tech savvy. I'm also a little bit younger than him and interact with people younger than me, and I think theres a disconnect there.

Yes, I miss vent and irc but most people never used text or voice chat until it was centralized and braindead easy to use. I would like to go back to something like that, but most people never used it in the first place (compared to active users now) and probably have no interest in learning/setting it up.

As an early 30 something guy, I don't see most people my age hopping ship to something like Matrix or older comm software because of the learning curve vs Discord. Younger people even less based on my personal experience.

[–] lord_turtonahugra@europe.pub 8 points 14 hours ago

Thank god. I was getting worried for a second

[–] CarrieForle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Created an account on Stoat and Matrix. So far I prefer Stoat as it's easier and more intuitive to use.

[–] RelativityRanger@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Stoat is centralized and has no e2ee

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Stoat isn't perfect, but it is the best replacement. It is open source and the developers work on a volunteer basis.

[–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Stoat is missing video calls and screen sharing, both of which Movim has while still being federated and encrypted.

[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They have those features coded but can't implement because of infrastructure issues. This is the first time that I have seen Movim talked about other than being mentioned in lists. It also seems to have some barrier to entry, try explaining federation to anyone not in tech. I can't run a community on that. At least people have heard of Matrix if I want to be decentralized. I am open to suggestions for practical solutions.

[–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago)

They don't really need to understand the federation to use it in practice, same as here on lemmy, and same as email. Most people don't actually understand how email works or that it's federated, they just know to put the right @domain.com at the end and it works for them. If you attempted to explain how email works to someone, it'd sound really complicated and off-putting to non-techies too, but if they know just enough to make it work, it seems simple.

I'd only explain it to people who are curious enough to ask about it. Otherwise, all anyone would need to do is just direct new users toward the Movim site, create an account (no email required, just a username and password), and bam, they're up and running right in their browser and can start connecting to friends. All they need to know is a username or the name of a group, which is in the exact same format as email so it'll already feel familiar (Person@domain[.]net, or InterestingHobby@domain[.]com).

Since it doesn't need an email and works right in the browser, it's really quick to try. Why not give it a shot with a friend for a bit to see if it could work for you?

[–] CarrieForle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 15 hours ago

It's easier to use. Besides Matrix e2ee is opt-out, and lots of public room disabled that.

[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago
[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And listen, I know people harp on this a lot, but it's a company literally named after an orb that lets the most evil force in the world spy on your thoughts.

Minor nitpick from a LotR nerd - that’s not how the Palantíri work. But I suppose that’s not really all that important considering the real topic at hand here.

[–] CreativeCider@feddit.org 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Download Element.io, create an acount, create your space and rooms, invite your friends.

Leave this fucking mess that's called discord

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 72 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And everyone please stop using it as a forum for the love of God. I have no use for discord as a platform, but every damn FOSS program asking me to go there for troubleshooting is insanity.

[–] CreativeCider@feddit.org 21 points 1 day ago

This! It's not a wiki.

[–] who@feddit.org 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

And after trying it, if you want to see what alternative client apps have to offer, you can find them here.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 126 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Peter Thiel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Epstein files, so now you should wonder if the verification is about acquiring adults data or identifying unattended kids usernames...

[–] hector@lemmy.today 32 points 1 day ago

Maybe we should start an international boycott and divestment of every person with any ties to Epstein. Any ties, just because the administration blacked out the details and they tell us they only visited the rape island with their family to [insert non rapey reason:] we should boycott everything and everyone involved.

Not just boycott and divest because it's morally abhorrent, but also because they can't be trusted. Someones, multitple parties, are holding information about them that could ruin them. They can weather that they were friends with Epstein, they can't weather the details being released, pictures and video of them raping kids. Israel has the information, the president's own fixers have it now too. Thiel might have it, (both the prez and thiel now have copies of all the information held by federal agencies that they exported with doge now too, you know it,) and russia might have some of it. Other oligarchs could have it, and the rich and connected could buy the information to use it if they wanted to.

Bottom line we can't trust anyone that's compromised. And while a boycott and divestment of people involved might start out small, it would receive instant buy in from the rest of the world. Any company thiel is involved in needs to be boycotted, divested from. Any government hiring his company needs to lose our support.

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[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago

fuck discord

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fucking obviously duh, of course it does.

Why does anybody give any kind of benefit of doubt to the class of wealthy rapists that run society and most of its institutions?

They're rapists.

They'll rape your money, your data, your attention, your energy, your time, anything they can either groom you into letting them take, or just take it by force.

And/or, if you're 'lucky', they'll just literally rape you physically.

These people are all violent sociopaths and need to be either euthanized or quarantined from society.

Imagine SexPestiny.

There ya go, thats all of these goddamned people.

Machiavellian, manipulative, beyond amoral into just actually evil, not actually very smart, they just happen to have money.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Power corrupts. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Story as old as time. That's something the people should understand that think you can cure authoritarianism with authoritarianism, as long as you follow the one true holy book.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well a lot of those people are just fundamentally taught that anything Sky Daddy does quite literally is the very concept of good and just, and seem to be genuinely incapable of their own independent moral reasoning.

I know because that is how I was raised, good thing I'm more curious and inquisitive than I am blindly faithful.

We've got something around a third of the US that is ready and eager to install some kind of an overt theocracy, if you haven't heard of the Seven Mountains movement/concept look it up.

These people are fundamentally driven by irrational delusions and falsities and lies and obvious logical paradoxes, all plastered over with 'faith' that simply serves as a justification for hatred and bigotry.

I know not all religious people are like this, many of them are much more reasonable.

But we have ya'll qaeda here at home, and they will destroy everything they do not understand if they are not countered.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 147 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.

Currently the best private (encrypted) and federated Discord alternative is Movim, which I highly recommend people switch to as soon as possible (the Dev is currently working on discord-like channels with rooms).

For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/23012609

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 48 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Dude I just spent 10 mins trying to get the thing to let me make an account. It kept saying my username didn't fit the format requirements, but then didn't tell me what the format requirements were.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Another reason to take down theil

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

No loss. I got talked into joining a Discord group and hated everything about it.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 85 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago

you mean his puppet master. just like he hides behind his puppets that control LOTR themed companies.

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] frunch@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't think of a much weirder duo, tbh

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[–] Pratai@piefed.ca 45 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Watch how many people still keep using this trash.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

People still use fucking Twitter. I hope people will choose alternatives but I’m not holding my breath.

[–] spiderhamster@midwest.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For real. I've provided a matrix instance for people to test to see if it suits their needs and to stress test it to make sure it's reliable at the scale we need. So far it's been great for two of us but I'm afraid the rest are all going to join at the same time, the server won't be able to handle the number of people doing voice and video chats and then they'll hate the whole thing. Other thing they might do is join the main Matrix instance and see how slow it is. That's almost worse.

I'm sorry, you didn't ask for all this info. You said a thing and it made me want to get some stuff off my chest. I almost posted more but deleted it. Then I wrote more and deleted that. I'm just gonna stop now but I feel better now that I've typed some things at a stranger on the internet that I agree with. It's almost like a virtual hug. Hope you felt it too :D

Yeah, I've been drinking. It's Friday somewhere.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 day ago

Oh nice, it gets worse!

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

The more information gets out about this whole thing, worse it gets.

Abandon ship!

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