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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago

"That's why you came to me, isn't it, captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing. Well, it worked. And you'll get what you wanted: a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant, and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal... and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like he drove a lot of the exposition, some of which was later picked up by Wesley. I didn't like that and felt as if Data did a better job of it.

[–] sirimeow@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Data and Garak

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sisko. He punched Q. Picard never punched a god. Even Kirk never punched a god.

[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Well, Kirk did slap Trelane.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yes. Firstly, Robert Picardo does mildly annoyed better than anyone. Secondly, he character is more frequently believable and willing to call it like it is.

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

for tng, I can say I was always happy to see Q show up

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I did like how he created a forum for introspection by the human race on it's own philosophical issues. I still find it hard to believe that a significantly more powerful race would have a constructive or even neutral interaction with another species, but maybe that's just projecting the issues of humanity onto Q.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think I have to do categories:

Hottest competency porn: Jean-Luc Picard. I love how in Darmok he learns the shit out of this situation. Nobody can figure out how to talk to these aliens, he spends a weekend with one and then he struts onto the bridge and speaks fluently to them.

Manliest conversation: Worf and Data. In Gambit, when Acting Captain Data repremand Acting First Officer Worf for essentially insubordination, Worf accepts the dressing down, and then Data checks in on a personal level with Worf to make sure there are no hard feelings. Worf admits he was at fault and they agree to still be friends. Manliest conversation ever filmed.

Goodest Boi: Porthos.

Hottest Chick: Quark

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The real competency porn in Darmok is in the writing. Picard doesn't just learn the alien's strange way of communicating, the audience learns it along with him. It has the same ending as The Big Goodbye, with Picard striding onto the bridge and saying the exact right thing as no one else could, but this time we clearly understand the entire nonsense exchange. It's just perfectly done.

Saru actually has a similar moment of linguistic badassery in Discovery, not the episode's climax or anything, but it contributes to how much I appreciate his character as well.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TNG is at its best when:

  • Picard is learning the shit out of a situation.
  • Picard is pontificating about right and wrong; Picard's got absolutely no declination on his moral compass.
  • Data and Geordi are solving the sensor readings. These are often my personal favorite.
  • Some alien character is being more human than usual for them. Spock is the classic, Data, Troi, Worf and even Q get it in TNG, on Voyager it was Doctor or Seven; the human adjacent character looking in toward humanity from the edge.
  • Something horrifying is going on. TNG and TOS before it leaned farther into horror than people give it credit for.
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just realized I have an appreciation for scenes where the thing is happening and spreading through the ship but no one notices it yet and continue on with normal activities. Especially when it's a multi-step cascade kinda scenario followed by a catastrophic failure where the crew first needs to solve the "how to survive" problem before moving on to "ok wtf just happened" problem.

There's a late season episode...I forget the name, Troi is in her standard uniform and they're in the DS9 Runabout set, where they notice time pausing. And they act like it's such a weird event. "Oh my god Geordi just stopped mid-sentence like the video has to buffer."

The thing is, by this time in the series, they shouldn't be acting shocked, once they resume they should be going like "By the way, I just saw you pause for what I perceived to be 10 or 20 seconds, then resume. I think we've got time anomalies." They've seen weird space shit on a daily basis for years by this point, they should be discussing time anomalies like wine, talking about mouthfeel and finish.

TOS - Bones & Kirk

TNG - Beverly Crusher & Picard

DS9 - Garak

VOY - Neelix & The Doctor

ENT - Phlox

PRO - Janeway

SNW - Pike

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah, I'll be uncreative and say Picard!

[–] osanna@thebrainbin.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

TNG: Picard and Data (Q gets an honorary mention)

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Orion, but she wasn't green until Kirk started dating her.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well... Shit... That's basically impossible to answer. How am I supposed to pick just one character from all of DS9?

OK, fine, three way tie between Miles, Dax and Garak, and that's the best you're gonna get.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Which Dax? 🤔

[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

The Enterprise (1701)

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Growing up it was always Data and Spock 😄

How about you? 👀

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

Neelix, he reminds me of my uncle

[–] yuri@pawb.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Pel was such a great character.

I remember thinking that it would've been great if they'd brought her back for the Ferengi episode where they try (and fail) to return the Vorta to the Dominion.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's always Quark and Data, with me.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Beckett Mariner