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child of ireland
the yankkk obsession with larping as a different type of white person never ceases to fry my brain
this post was submitted on 17 Feb 2026
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White Anglo Americans like to claim Irish heritage as kind of a soothing balm to avoid feeling guilty about sitting in the seat of empire. Same thing as when white people claim their great grandmother was Cherokee.
Also white people who take DNA test that show they're less than 1% African
Also, do to unfortunate math a ton of us do have a great grandmother that married into whiteness for economic reasons. The problem is people think of that as a little spice instead of a critique of the American peoject
I've also known of southern white people claiming native American heritage to hide the reality of African heritage. I'm an example. I was told by my grandfather that his grandmother was a "choctaw princess" throughout my childhood. And I've done research into this and it seems like she was actually a black woman. Claiming native ancestry is usually more socially acceptable in the south than claiming black ancestry.
Every princess has a queen as a mother, so why don't they just skip the bullshit and say they're descended from Choctaw royalty and have claims to Choctaw royal line of succession?
Synthesis: Claim ancestry from the last reigning monarch of an African nation before the colonizers took over (e.g., Queen Nzinga of what is now Angola) and a notable chief of an indigenous tribe (e.g., Chief Attakullakulla). Probably not that far off for white people who would be able to trace their ancestry to the 17th century colonies anyways
I mean if you wanna go that far into it, the Choctaw didn't have a typical hereditary monarchy before 1860. They would have three chiefs/kings that were chosen by popular consensus, and sometimes it would be hereditary, but often it wasn't. And they didn't have absolute monarchy either where the chiefs had complete authority. They've been a republic with a constition since 1860, which is around when my fictional ancestor was supposedly alive so even the line of succession thing doesn't work
Some of this is frustrating to me. My grandmother and half aunt were all-in on Indigenous American culture, passing it down to their children and claiming to have tribal membership. My mom had none of that. Her mom passed away when she was really young, and her dad did not keep up with the cultural practices, so my mom raised me really white. I recently did some research into our heritage to learn more about this, and it doesn't look like we have any recent Native American ancestors? Nobody seems to appear on the Dawes Rolls. I have no clue how (or if) they really were members of a tribe. Were they just larping as indigenous descended? So then Mom was probably correct in raising me in white culture, which is sad because I'd love to be part of any other culture. (not in an appropriated or fetishized way; I know I have lots of privileges that I should be using to help less-advantaged people) Even did DNA test at one point and it is very much just British from Britain. Not even Wales or some other country under the United Kingdom umbrella, just Great Britain. I am colonizer prime apparently.
Critical support for those of us trying to be anything other than white. It is just a shame that irishness is watered down and commercialized to where is it just a diffrent brand of whiteness.
I’ve been trying to pin point exactly why I find Americans asserting “I’m Irish” etc to be so weird and I think the issue for me is that America treats genetics as identity.
Like, it treats genetics as culture. It reduces ethnicity to a question of genes.
To be fair, if your grandmother spoke Italian at home and you have a family recipe for pasta sauce then yeah sure you can celebrate that and that does form part of your identity.
But the “my great great great great grandfather came from Ireland therefore I support the IRA for reasons of tribal loyalty” that’s the part I find weird. It reminds me of supporting a football team.
In that our experience of identity though whiteness is superficial it makes sense we have no innate ability to comprehend identity as anything other than that kind of superficial.
Conversely we are trained to treat blackness as all encompassing. So I guess the synthesis of irishness is to assume it is all encompassing but also have no idea what that is so we just replicate whiteness but again.
I wonder if we have any data, cause when did the Irish become white? I know the Italians got accepted into whiteness in the 70s-80s. I can't think though when the Irish became white
I would set the timing to be JFK becoming president and the Catholic Church being usefully anti-communist.
Maybe the civil rights era? For the progressives, it’s a logical extension of civil rights. For the conservatives, they’re a welcome ally against other even less white groups?
Guessing.
I'm not saying that Europeans aren't just as racist if not more but I'm still regularly perplexed how much and how casual Americans love their races.
Umm my great great great grandmother once met an Irish person so I'm basically Irish
Given how many of "irish americans" are unironic Churchill stans I doubt they care or know what you are even referencing they are very much completely American at this point.
COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS
COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN
as if they aren't manned by plastic paddy yankkkee settlers
The overlap of the Venn Diagram for Irish ancestry Americans and understanding the history of Irish resistance has to be incredibly small
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Edit: I also want to say that I don't think it's bad that people take an interest in their ancestry. I can understand why it might be annoying for Irish people for example to have 4th generation Americans claiming it, but I think it can actually be a helpful part of unlearning "whiteness". I know it has been for me.
Amerikkkan crakkkers love to show off and trade their window-dressing sub-ethnicities divided into infinitesimal percentages like boy scout badges