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[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 hours ago

I'm really trying hard to see the point that's being made. Is it just the "high" salaries, or is there some other implication? The OP seems to be insinuating that Signal is a honeypot or something. I am going to need a lot more proof than, "hey, these guys work at a non-profit and they aren't underpaid!" Given that most tech jobs offer stock options in addition to normal salary, it would make sense that base salary should be higher at a non-profit (where stock options don't exist). Their salary structure also seems much flatter than other non-profits that I saw within the propublica link.

What am I missing here?

[–] RykardNixon@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t know the intricacies of signal as a company or if they support any bad actors or whatnot, but I do hate to see flack for non-profit leaders and employees getting paid competitive salaries. Like if people are actually worth that much in the economy, why not try to stack the team so they’re incentivized to do well? Especially in the shit pot that is America.

I would be curious to see the spread of overhead between salaries and fundraising, outreach, etc to actually get their product out there. Because if those are balanced in favor toward actually running the business, marketing it well, and fundraising, I’d say these people more than deserve these salaries.

[–] SqueakySpider@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 hours ago

Also maybe no stock options like other corps? So more salary compensation

[–] phase@lemmy.8th.world 29 points 9 hours ago

And now let's focus on the only player who is a bit transparent instead of asking how are the others...

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 14 hours ago

How does this compare to salaries for comparable positions at comparable for-profit companies?

It's kinda the point of donations that they can afford to hire people whose labor costs that much.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 44 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Ah another hitpiece on Signal huh? They must be doing a lot right.

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 hours ago

well yes, taking millions from the US government to dupe people like you into slathering yourself in metadata is the right move. redditors will justify anything once locked into the circlejerk

[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 28 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

“President of Signal getting paid less than a principal engineer” must be the take here.

The same argument applies to Wikipedia: it’s a blessing these people accept working for <1M. They could easily get a job for triple the salary elsewhere but choose to forfeit it for principles.

I could also make a lot of money stealing peoples organs but its a blessing that I don't do that

[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Guess adb never worked for a non-profit before.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't 1M per year upper middle class in america now?

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, I don't think I'll make 1M in my lifetime combined.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

That's because you live in Europe and stretching a month's paycheck is easier than a week's and the Euro is an strogner currency with better anti-gouging laws.

To sum up, 70k euros a month is a lot.

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 hours ago

To sum up, 70k euros a month is a lot.

Even 10k euro per month is a lot and will be far better than most other people in Europe and allow you to live more than comfortably.

[–] glitching@lemmy.ml 9 points 12 hours ago

not my circus, not my monkeys

but them positions... as mr. cici famously quipped, that's alot of buffers

you really need a VP of eng and then a director of eng and further liaisons until you reach an actual engineer for a shop that has one product?

again, what do I care, spend it in good health

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 5 points 11 hours ago

Just hire from the EU. It's cheaper and they are as competent. A lot more money will be left to hire more staff. I've already moved my signal donation to matrix.

The US is a money sink.

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 hours ago

LMAO @ everyone who would have denied this was true groveling at the feet of the US government's spectacularly abd inexplicably generous Open Technology Fund after devoting 3000 comments to bashing what remains of Firefox for [checks notes] making the UI better so the community doesn't need to spend their time making sidebars and vertical tabs.. You guys are worms. Today I get to be the rock. 🥴

[–] albsen@beehaw.org 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

is the argument they shouldn't be paid money for their work? or maybe signal shouldn't be hiring at competitive salaries for highly skilled labor?

[–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 9 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Well, the only person on the list with "developer" in their title has the lowest salary, the executives are paid more. And you will not in a million years convince me that corporate suits are doing skilled work in a way to deserve more compensation than people actually making the product.

[–] albsen@beehaw.org 1 points 5 hours ago

that's a fair comment I don't know what they do either.

having seen a few of these org charts this could be much worse. there are 4 salaries related to software and technical improvements of the app and platform.

most ppl underestimate what kind of infrastructure is required to make anything work at planet scale, including auxiliary functions. I'd be much more interested in where the funding is coming from.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago

Well, the only person on the list with “developer” in their title has the lowest salary,

Unsurprisingly.

[–] Sims@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

US and the West are 'managed' by elite psychopaths that don't give a shit about ordinary peoples 'privacy' or similar fancy tools for the wage-slaves. They have used these tools to try and break through specific nations/groups information defenses. ANYTHING sponsored by the US Oligarchy is either a part of local US control, or an attempt at reaching more people with rich-man propaganda in nations that defend themselves against US lies and color-revolutions..

[–] lemming@sh.itjust.works 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

What would be the downside if all companies were non-profit? At first sight, it sounds like a great idea.

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The conventional answer is that there would be much less incentive to fund new ones.

Some things need a large investment to start: power plants, cities, factories, space stations, etc. Sometimes more money than the people involved can afford, and you need to ask someone to front the money, they typically get paid with a share of the profits.

[–] lemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

Thanks, that sounds very reasonable.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Some companies will be invisible and/or "boring" - nobody ever said: "Oh, I just love my office building's cleaning supplies delivery contractor, I should donate them again!"

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 12 hours ago

To be fair non-profit doesn't mean you can't charge for your services. You just can't pay profit out as dividends so there's no incentive to overcharge.

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 21 points 18 hours ago (4 children)
[–] Templa@beehaw.org 2 points 5 hours ago

You should also link Ariadne's post saying she rather use signal, but that would be against the tone of your post, right?

https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/116043045098562878

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Ugh. I've always liked Matrix (and was not bothered too much by the metadata leaks because my home server was not federated anyways), but after noticing some issues and finally reading up on the actual protocol spec a couple of weeks ago... oof. Yeah. No.

Set up XMPP for now. Works really well and the protocol seems so much saner. Unfortunately, it too has some annoyances that are unacceptable to me in the long term. I'm this close to saying "fuck it" and wasting the next couple of years of my life on a new protocol that no one is gonna use. (Cue the XKCD here.)

[–] SwooshBakery624@programming.dev 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Works really well and the protocol seems so much saner.

Unfortunately, it is not.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 6 points 13 hours ago

Ha, thanks, I'd already read that. And I do, mostly, agree; the OMEMO implementation is not great both from the security perspective discussed in the post, as well as the UX (not being able to decrypt old messages on new devices at all).

That being said, I primarily want a selfhosted, federated messenger which also takes privacy and security seriously, and at least for the former, XMPP is really refreshingly good.

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 6 points 13 hours ago

They're still far more encrypted than literally every other alternative.

[–] leviathan@feddit.org 18 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Discord in it's entirety is unencrypted

[–] voxel@feddit.uk 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

To be fair, Discord has e2e encrypted voice calls using their "Dave" protocol.

https://discord.com/blog/meet-dave-e2ee-for-audio-video

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I can't believe that worked. Well, it's a good thing we have more than three options

[–] glitzer_gadze@feddit.org 7 points 15 hours ago

Unbearable: This was the last time i donated to signal. Next time i'll donate to some small foss-projects.

[–] raicon@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago

What a scam...

Hey guys I help orphans on a non profit, I'm a very good person. BTW I get paid 1M a year