Self-proclaimed Star Trek fans gatekeeping the universe so hard that they hurt Jonathan Frakes makes me irrationally angry.
He's one of the few genuinely good ones. Don't be like that.
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Self-proclaimed Star Trek fans gatekeeping the universe so hard that they hurt Jonathan Frakes makes me irrationally angry.
He's one of the few genuinely good ones. Don't be like that.
They're not fans. It's just shameless, mindless profiteering using the "hate gets more clicks" dogma that the incompetent media outfits have adopted as a mainstream.
There are legitimate problems with the show, as there are with all new shows. But all the assholes complaining about “wokeness” drown it out.
I don't even like the show, but there are ways to be critical of someone's work without being so mean that you cause them to make a public statement about it.
90% of people on the internet don't even know what tact is anymore, and it definitely shows.
I think the problem is that the internet is more prevalent and mainstream than back then. Like newsgroups could be downright toxic, but the majority of fans didn't see them.
When I was watching TNG, it was either at my dads house watching it on television or discussing it with my friends in school.
This. TNG would trigger conservatives if it were in today.
Remember when Ricker feel in love with the non-binary alien and they had a whole discussion about pronouns? It's been thirty years and these guys still aren't over shit like that.
I mean just the whole Curzon, Kor, and Jadzia scene. Actually all of DS9 would send them into a panic.
Heck, most people misinterpret Roddenberry's original intent, anyway. It always makes me laugh when people talk about Star Trek becoming woke.
Seriously. Star Trek is "woke" first and science fiction second. Gene wanted to make an integrated show, he didn't particularly care if it was science fiction or not.
Yeah, the only reason there wasn't a concerted anti-woke campaign against Trek back then was the technology just didn't exist to enable people with minority opinions like that to easily find each other.
Still, they were there. I remember some BBS Trek guys being "that guy" at a few Trek conventions in the 90s, they were just usually solo or in tiny groups.
Hell, TOS triggered them. The problem is that they’re all anybody hears these days.
Imagine if TNG season 1 got bad reviews but because of the tone of the reviews they didn’t bother changing anything. It wouldn’t have gotten better.
TNG actually DID get reactions like that, but they were on little newsgroup boards and shit where only serious nerds saw it. The whole origin of "i remember when startrek wasn't for hippies/feminists/gays/liberals/etc." sentiment originates with TNG criticism.
It was just as stupid then as it is now, but now we all apparently have to hear it.
I think the problem is that a lot of the current Trek shows are poorly written and waste good casts. Programmable matter? Dumb. “I swallowed my combadge”? Barf. A crying alien is the answer to why every starship in the universe suddenly explodes? Just awful.
Disco had his problems, but SFA is really a solid series and honestly I would rank it over SNW in quality. Have you actually seen it instead of complaining about minor details (the combadge, I agree that the burn was idiotic but that ship sailed with disco already)
The internet for the common man didn’t even exist in 1987. By the time TNG went off the air, it was still largely AOL chat rooms.
DS9 and Voyager were the shows for the online generation.
Fandom is such a toxic concept nowadays.
Do I personally like the show? No. But it's not for me. I'm old. It's a new world with new demographics to cater to and new viewers to appeal to.
So it's perfectly okay that it's not for me. It's not as though my trek has vanished. It's still there whenever I want to watch it. My trek is literally everywhere. Pluto TV, Paramount Plus, or the crap-tonne of DVD's I've collected over the years.
Society has changed, writing styles have changed, audiences have changed. Get over it, people. How come people can't not watch something while shutting the fuck up about it? Why does your dislike of a property give you the right to make other people's lives miserable.
As social creatures, when humans form a community or identity their amygdala fires when that community or identity is threatened, exactly the same as when they’re given a physical threat.
It's not for me but neither was Discovery. That being said, there were folks that liked those shows and that's great. I don't have a problem with new Trek, SNW and Lower Decks are more my speed.
Trek is branching out. All the stuff from the 90s was episodic, fitting into the syndication template.
SNW and LD are a lot more like those 90s series, which is why I like them. It’s also the same reason I like The Orville.
Disco is a lot more like a Game of Thrones style series. There are some subplots but a lot of the show is focused on the big story.
Academy is a school drama. Not my bag but it’s definitely someone’s. But just like I’m not gonna shit on someone’s love of Buffy the Vampire Slayer - which isn’t for me for similar reasons - I’m not gonna shit on someone for liking Academy.
Of course the internet and social media amplifies the critics. But I hate the idea of blaming a not so good series on the internet and the fans. Because the reverse could also happen. And it doesn't.
Maybe I'm not a fan because I only liked TNG, DS9, VOY and some of ENT, while not really liking much of the new Kurtzman universe/timeline. I skipped DIS as I don't think it's my thing. And I skipped PIC too. Still, I was convinced to try SNW on lemmy, and I liked much of it. Maybe as much as ENT. I also loved LD before it got cancelled. Even with all the usual toxicity of some fans, some positive comments and videos were able to sway me into trying them and liking them.
However, as much as I agree that some "fans" are toxic, other fans have made very detailed and logical videos about how this most recent series is bad as Star Trek. The ratio of bad reviews from pretty much all the spectrum of fans kind of confirms this, and I'm sick of seeing a lot of the past actors act like they know exactly what Star Trek is, should be, what fans should like, and if they don't like it, it's their fault and the internet's fault.
“It was literally the biggest Star Trek set ever,”
It's not because it's litterally the biggest set ever that it makes it good Star Trek. And it's not because he directed an episode that the writing will be better.
As we can see with the series Picard, and to an extent the movie Nemesis, sometimes actors are not exactly the best references for the canon of what they are acting. The dune buggy in Nemesis was Steward's idea. As is a big part of the concept behind the Picard series. And having actors like Kate Mulgrew and Robert Picardo defending this and even going against some fans like me, is hurtful too. Enough so that I'm willingly distancing myself from social media and stuff related to Star Trek now. It pains me to see them push something that has lost most of its soul and blame the fans.
EDIT: About Patrick Steward seemingly not understanding his character:
It seems that "Nemesis" producer John Logan, perhaps to appease his star, wanted to do a favor by giving Stewart a driving/action scene, no matter how inappropriate. In a behind-the-scenes documentary included on the "Nemesis" DVD, Stewart said in an interview that he really loved driving, just as a personal hobby, and was happy to have access to a vehicle like the Argo. Stewart, it seems, was so excited to drive that he didn't bother to ask why his character would want to — or even be able to — drive a dune buggy. Stewart, of course, isn't Picard. He prefers entertainment with action and adventure.
Fuck conservatives.
And specifically fuck them for making so much noise about representation that actual criticism gets drowned out.
I’m worried that the creators will think anyone who doesn’t like the show has a worthless opinion and won’t learn and improve, and may even double down.
Exactly, us woke people should be demanding better woke representation in media, not this superficial bullshit in modern Trek.
I liked the last episode more than any other in the season, despite it being maybe the least Star Trek one?
Previous one was ridiculous. Oh, these "kids" are traumatised by a bad experience? Let's fix that with theatre! All together, 'cause of course everyone can heal with the same "therapy".
I still hope this series can turn out to be good, after all TNG itself didn't start out great. But it seems they want to bash you over the head with emotions and ideas, rather than make you feel and develop them yourself.
As someone who desperately wanted to go to Starfleet Academy most of his life: These are not the elite kids I thought would be in it.
“I swallowed my comm badge” is something a toddler would say, not a Starfleet Cadet.
Worth remembering that this is a Star Fleet rebuilding itself from the ashes, not the Star Fleet of old
I get that, but if they’ve got cadets who swallow their comm badges they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel
Known many theater kids? It's pretty spot on actually. Entertainers in general usually use their gifts as escapism or as a safe emotional outlet.
If only Starfleet Academy was a theater school
OP pointed out that not all therapies work for all people, and you disagreed by pointing out that some therapies work for some people.
Value.
I hadn’t even heard of this till now.
Is it better than Discovery?
I watched a couple episodes and they took the parts I liked the least about Discovery and made a whole show about them.
I concluded it’s not really made for me so I’m rewatching Lower Decks
Can you please elaborate a bit more, because I really didn't like discovery and I don't want to be disappointed again.
It’s much more focused on the emotional development and relationships between the characters. Academy feels like a teen drama, which isn’t something I liked even when I was a teenager.
I’m going to give it a miss in that case, I’ve never enjoyed that sort of drama either.
Thx. I get it. Not for me either.
But I'm not worried. For sure something gritty and political will be made at some point in the future.
That’s a bad sign given how much I dislike Discovery and enjoy Lower Decks, thanks
For what is worth, they are doing a much better job of it. It's never gonna be my favorite trek, but it's not bad.
My wife, who is a Trek fan for the past 15 years or so, likes it. She didn't care for Picard or Discovery.
With the exception of the Section 31 movie, everything they’ve made has been better than Discovery.
Academy is certainly different but I think it stands well on its own merits, including good character work, respectful use of existing canon, and a strong emotional core.
Academy has the best elements of every single series to date.
It’s not perfect—nothing is—but it’s impressively good and enjoyable. Yes, there are some quieter or seemingly "boring" moments from time to time, but these are usually when you need to pay attention, as they pay off big time soon after.
That being said, —and this isn’t necessarily aimed towards you personally— if you’re the kind to snub an entire series barely 5 min into it after mindlessly watching while doomscrolling, then repeatedly trashing it online to justify your lack of interest, then, no, it will not satisfy you, just like nothing else will.
Academy has the best elements of every single series to date.
Objection. I've seen very little professional behavior from anyone except maybe the Doctor and the Commandant, and of course Admiral Uncle. Some leeway can be granted, given the setting, but it's something I very much miss from the TNG era.