Comparing makeup to surgery? She can't show herself underground surgery on live TV even if she wanted to. What a nasty idiot.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, "trust me bro" is not a valid argument.
Surgery doesn't change gender, gender is a social construct changed by social transition.
For the record, race is also a social construct, racist de facto caste systems are determined by skin color but they have no scientific basis.
Gender affirming surgery is in no way required for transition but is done for the mental well-being, quality of life, and in some cases ease of social acceptance of the individual.
Genuine question, isn't there enough genetic differentiation between certain populations that they would be considered a distinct grouping, is there a name for this ?
Like how medically there is enough (genetic) differentiation in certain circumstances to affect diagnosis and/or treatment.
I agree race is a social construct, especially given how it's used, I’m just wondering if there is a name for the groupings (or if they exist at all , i suppose)
edit: Added clarification to the differentiation to make it specifically genetic, because that could also be affected by environmental things.
further edit: now i think about it , genetics can just be a long term accumulation of environmental pressures so it's kinda murky anyway
Yes, lots, but it doesn't correspond with the social construct of race, ie. A given "black" person could be substantially more genetically similar to a given "white" person than they are to another person who would be considered a "black person." The genotypal groupings of human populations does not comfortably correspond to phenotypal/cultural groupings of human populations.
ooh, i think genotypal might be what i was thinking of.
Where phenotypal is a mixture of environmental and genetic expression , genotypal would be exclusively the part derived from genetics.
Would genotypal typically include epigenetics as well or only the fixed DNA based parts?
Close but not quite, genotype is the actual dna, phenotype is the observational characteristics.
But yes, epigenetics would fall under phenotype essentially.
I think there would be, but it would be very messy and you'd have to focus on specific things.
Eg. Certain populations can't really drink milk or there's a tribe that has enlarged kidneys and a strong dive reflex because they swim under water a lot to hunt fish
yeah, I think there's also a people who have an adapted eye lens shape to help with underwater acuity, Sherpa’s with oxygen efficiency at high altitude etc.
I wonder if there is a name for the taxonomic distinction here.
Purely scientifically the Wikipedia page suggests a whole bunch of different types of biological taxonomic distinctions that could be applied, but acknowledges that definitions are all over the place and not necessarily agreed upon.
In that sense you'd need to adjust yourself biologically, at the genetic level, to satisfy some of the definitions.
All of that disregards the non-biological connotations of the discussion though, so not super helpful here, just interesting.
There's literally no need to create a whole taxonomy for the small physical differences in human ethnicities. May as well classify these bunnies into different [whatever] due to fur color.

"We also can't do anything about equality when it comes to financial security. Give a poor a thousand dollars, they will still be a filthy poor!"
Wow. Racist AND transphobic. Hilarious.
You could have just Googled this if you just wanted an answer...
If anyone doesn't want to give Reddit any kind of traffic, the answer is this:
There have been studies done on dead transgender people that demonstrate that trans people have differing brain structures; a trans woman's brain will have many (but not all) of the features that a cisgender woman's brain has. The same goes for trans men.
source: https://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/131/12/3132.full
There is no such evidence for transracial people as that's not really a thing. Race is much more of an artificial concept than gender, and has little biological basis. Black people are not of a different race than white people, they simply have different genetic traits that are well within the boundary for counting as the same species.
race as a social construct: http://www.jstor.org/stable/188702?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Brain regions can be considered masculinized or feminized depending on their response to sex hormones (look up the preoptic area for a well-studied example of this); there's no such thing as a 'race hormone' that can 'blacken' or 'whiten' brain regions.
estrogen modulates neuronal movements within the developing preoptic area/anterior hypothalamus: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2295210/
Your comment deserves to be on top.
My hot take: I'd be fine with people being transracial; I'm not here to make other people jump through the performance of cultural litmus tests.
Disingenuous people will be punished by validation and the continued performance of their own lies. Don't reward their attention seeking behaviors and persecution fetishes with negative attention and persecution.
tl;dr you gotta throw them off their rhythm.
Something in a similar vein for her specifically to consider:
Changing your last name to Bolsonaro does not make you related to the president of Brazil.
She's right -- surgery doesn't change gender.
It only helps one's body conform to the gender they already are. Getting surgery doesn't turn a man into a woman (or vice versa). They were already a woman, and the surgery just helps them look and feel like it. A trans woman doesn't become a woman when she gets a surgery -- she becomes a woman when she realizes she's trans (or, rather, realizing she's trans reveals to her that she was always a woman).
Ah yes, the gender change surgery.
I will never understand why someone else's gender identity is any of their concern
I will never understand why some else's preferred pronouns should be any of my concern.
at least the username checks out
Not that anyone who takes this seriously would care, but sex change surgery doesn't change gender, it changes anatomy. A person is already the gender they are before or after any medical interventions
Race and gender continually being used as a straw man while the elites advance their anti democratic agenda against all of us is the most ridiculous thing I’ve had to witness in this timeline.