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, itself inflicted by ruling class overprivileged psychos unsatisfied by merely feeding them into the meat grinder?

With the inevitably resulting intergenerational pathology being to inflict that abuse on their children in a culture that allows them no healthy outlet, as well as resenting their parents for not giving them Nazis to fight to morally justify said abuse?

Or am I overthinking this?

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[–] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Well I do know that my boomer dad has never forgiven his mom for having a second child. His dad was an abusive ass, but for some reason he's more mad at his mom, because she "was taken away from me when I was only a year and a half old", by which he means his mom had to split her attention between him and his newborn younger sister.

I don't know how this fits into what you're saying, probably it doesn't, but I do think it's notable that even though my dad hated his abusive piece of shit dad (for good reason!), somehow it's the sadness that every single oldest child has to deal with (including me, fun fact) that has, apparently, caused my dad so much anguish over the course of his life.

I have a hard time empathizing with my father. He truly seems to believe he's the only human on earth who has ever suffered emotionally. Very frustrating to try to talk to him as a fellow human being, because he sure doesn't see me (or anyone else) as one!

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 4 points 18 hours ago

In your dad's case it seems narcissism is at play, which isn't an unheard of reaction to abuse. His own dad wasn't a 'safe' target for his very justified anger, so he redirected it to his mother because she was a 'safe' target in the form of entitlement.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

yes, but the intergenerational pathology reaches back way further than the parents of boomers. i dont know about the rest of the world, but the west has been beating and traumatizing kids practically since forever.

so you cant blame this on just the ww2 ptsd.

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Oh for sure. Much of this, like most problems in the world, can be traced back to the English, who have a noted history of treating their children like shit, at least if we reach back deep enough intergenerationally.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 4 points 15 hours ago

british upper class boy schools definitely ran on systematic abuse of the young by the older students and the teachers, and i'm sure this prepared them for decisions like firing cannons at civilians and overseeing famines

but this is rest of europe erasure for sure. do you think eg german parents and child rearing methods/institutions were better?

i think it's a fairly recent (re?)discovery that beating kids is bad.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There were actually cool boomers, but they all died. Only the rich ones are alive now.

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Very fair, though I'm in doubt as to whether they were ever in the majority to begin with. I do think they did once make up a significant portion, but the state most certainly cracked down hard on them as it's known to do.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 3 points 12 hours ago

I once challenged myself to find “cool” boomers…the only one I can think of off the top of my head was that white ultra who grew up in China and denounced all Dengists as capitalist roaders. I’m not sure he counts, since although he’s a boomer he didn’t grow up in the west. Even older dudes who might be considered cool (like Richard Wolff) aren’t boomers. Assata Shakur was also not a boomer. Where are the cool boomers? There must be some, but I can’t find any.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's lead, if an entire generation is poisoned with a neurotoxin that ravages the emotional and critical thinking centers of the brain, they're not gonna turn out alright, especially while dealing with the multipliers of ptsd inflicted parents and the baseline atrocities of capitalism

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Honestly, I dont think so to your first questions. I think there's a lot there but there is still so much more with their specific class interests, media environs, the revolutions in technology, like especially that last part. Boomers went through their lives with a new technology basically redefining how they lived every 5 to 10 years. You can ask them when they remember getting a phone, a tv, cars, being the first in their family to be college educated. The failure of the college kids in having a social movement that couldnt move the material world. how our society kills poor people much faster than the capricious and rich, which means the olds you run into now being more likely to be fucking evil.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 5 points 23 hours ago

Nah, that has some juice

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

Idk I think the abuse is on balance more an outcome of the pre existing context than a primary cause of what came later.

Lots of people have faced abuse on a mass scale and with more severity and didn't become the baby boomers because only these people had the material support necissariy to do that.

As to not having the nazis: there were many fascists available to fight during baby boomers youth, both locally and globally. Most were totally disinterested in seizing the opportunity. The difference isn't in being given Nazis, it was in not being organized by the state to fight against rival powers who happened to be fascist.

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think you could overthink it even further and I would enjoy reading it.

My instinct is that this explains a significant portion of the boomer zeitgeist and their effect on the world, but not the whole part.

I think the resentment about no Nazis is a very interesting avenue of thought. I think the boomer predisposition towards xenophobia and interventionism probably has a lot to do with viewing the world through the cope lens of WW2 veterans and the re-framing of their efforts/motives as a heroic struggle against an otherworldly genocide machine.

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I think you could overthink it even further and I would enjoy reading it.

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My instinct is that this explains a significant portion of the boomer zeitgeist and their effect on the world, but not the whole part.

Oh for certain there's no way I'd manage to cover this in full, even if I could write a whole book on the subject. My perspective is limited to my narrow window of the world, and even if I interviewed 1000 people for said text I'd still have infinitely more gaps.

I think the resentment about no Nazis is a very interesting avenue of thought. I think the boomer predisposition towards xenophobia and interventionism probably has a lot to do with viewing the world through the cope lens of WW2 veterans and the re-framing of their efforts/motives as a heroic struggle against an otherworldly genocide machine.

With all the time and funding in the world I'd love to pursue this line of thought to its conclusions. We've all grown up with the a priori knowledge that "Nazis bad", and while that's true it's also a gross oversimplification.

What made the Nazis bad? How did they come to power? What forces fueled their creation and rise? And the conclusion your average boomer seems to have come to is "authoritarianism", completely detached from the meaning or implications of such a word, and then the thought terminates, and the termination of this thought precludes any further analysis, especially on the similarities to Weimar Germany and the States at any point, similarities even a child might notice given a small amount of information. The Nazis were just "the greatest evil the world ever knew", and "our heroic forebears defeated them" and "because they were heroes we don't question them". And if our parents were great heroes who fought evil and ~~destroyed the one ring~~ defeated fascism then where's our great evil to fight? Oh OK we beat the Soviets, the next largest "authoritarians", guess we can fuck on off to Epstein island since heroes can do no wrong.

[–] MineDayOff@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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