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[–] Doom@lemmy.world 18 points 23 hours ago

Our own neighborhoods don't belong to us.

[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Ok let's change the headline up a bit: California father arrested after erasing crosswalk paint and taking down stop signs from near the children's park.

[–] JayDee 3 points 3 hours ago

That is not what the article describes at all.

A city representative said officials reviewed the intersection after receiving concerns from Brandlin and determined it did not meet the requirements for a four-way stop but added pedestrian striping to improve safety.

Brandlin spent about $1,000 of his own money on commercial-grade materials, including 30-inch reflective stop signs matching the other ones on the street. He began installing them himself to replace the yellow posted crosswalk signs on the intersection in the early morning of March 14, according to the El Segundo Police Department.

Police arrested him around 1:30 a.m. while he worked on the second direction of traffic. Brandlin said the arrest was excessive, saying he was cited with multiple charges, including felonies.

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What good does changing the headline do?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago

OG says repaints

New one would say essentially removed paint.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The city ultimately determined the intersection did not meet the required traffic volume for additional stop signs,

It shouldn't be about how much traffic there is. If people are going too fast and/or there's a visibility issue and/or there's danger of kids walking into the street, there needs to be a stop sign because that actually slows people down and makes it safer for everyone involved. Even my carbrain understands that.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The panthers used to get stop lights put in in weeks that localities had been refusing calls from for years. You want to do stuff like this, get organized. And not dancing in frog suits organized, militant, community focused organized with educational programs and childcare for your community.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

The Panthers did it because their communities were being systematically destroyed by the government. It's not the same at all.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 200 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The city ultimately determined the intersection did not meet the required traffic volume for additional stop signs

For the record, this is 100% a lie. Every single warrant document (list of criteria) used by an engineer will have two magic words written at the bottom of the list:

"Engineering judgement."

That means there is no such thing as a "required traffic volume" for a stop sign or any other kind of signal or marking. If the engineer, in his professional judgement, agrees that one is warranted, it's warranted.

Engineers who hide behind things like warrants, pretending their hands are tied by them, are cowards and aren't doing their jobs properly.

The city engineer who refused to approve the stop sign didn't want to approve it because he cared more about drivers' convenience than he did children's safety, but was too chickenshit to tell it to the dad's face.

[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 82 points 1 day ago

If 50 people sign a petition, you don't need to do a study. Just put in the fucking stop sign.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if the vehicle traffic didn’t meet some imaginary quota, that says nothing of the pedestrian traffic. Just another signal of our car-centric society.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

That's typically one of the warrants. In addition to vehicle, bicycle, and pedestrian volumes, other warrants include things like vehicle approach speed, sight distance, and crash statistics.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are stop signs in the middle of nowhere Ohio, where there's literally a few cars on the road a day. I don't see how volume should come into play when you're next to a playground.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 134 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just install these instead:

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

hey that's cheating. that was how i crossed busy streets when i was walking home from undergrad.

i had a bright neon painted metal water bottle. I would raise it and make eye contact. just like that. like, this is mine, but it can be yours. you don't know if it weighs an ounce or 5 pounds. stops traffic remarkably well, especially considering the law and the sign everyone ignored right above my head said "stop for pedestrians".

yes, i did have a death wish you don't need to ask. living in utah does that to you when you've seen life on the outside.

[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Is Utah that bad? It's at the top of so many lists. I could imagine the people being the biggest problem, though.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

it was, yeah.

there is incentive to game those lists. they are... what is the word... tourism? advertisement? other places don't have as much riding on gaming those lists as utah does. it's not their religion that looks bad when it's not #1.

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a hard line to walk. Being so afraid your kid will get hit by a car that you do something that could get you sent to prison, where you certainly won't be able to do anything for said kid.

The city officials need to be the ones facing consequences for this, not him.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Courts and juries are somewhat good at identifying bureaucratic incompetence. Prison is unlikely, but the fact he will have to appear in court likely a few times to resolve this is still not great.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

He will probably get a fine at the end of the day

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 32 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Anarchism meets the state.

Direct action and taking charge of the change you want to see is great, states fucking things up because they’re not the ones in power is pathetic.

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[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

As much as this case might have been justified (which we just don't know without the traffic study), condoning random people fucking with street signage is a terrible idea. There are very good reasons not to randomly change traffic patterns, especially outside of a popular park; fuckcars, but also vigilante traffic engineering is an insanely dangerous game to play. If this brings attention to it and they reevaluate, well done this traffic martyr. But he absolutely should have been arrested for this, if only to prevent a precedent for people who decide to "fix" other traffic issues.

[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Nah, this road is a fucking textbook example of a bad neighborhood intersection.

Wide straight road with a hill on one side leads to unsafe driving speeds. Combined with parking at the intersection making visibility low for anyone crossing the intersection (cars, pedestrians, and bikes all included!)

This intersection needs intervention, and a stop sign is a bare minimum solution. Speed bumps and daylighting would also be justified.

We know we build unsafe intersections, we don't need a traffic study to confirm it, especially if you have a large number of residents with the same complaint.

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Much like that park bathroom that was going to cost something like $2M to install in San Francisco. Once the residents and news got ahold of the story, suddenly the bathroom would only cost $100k to install.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I don't have a problem with this.

Random people don't get to decide where stop signs go and do not go.

How about if someone just decided to remove a stop sign.

[–] barooboodoo@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How about if someone just decided to remove a stop sign.

Are those 2 situations equivalent at all? I can't think of a situation where adding a stop sign up would make the intersection more dangerous whereas the removal of one would almost certainly make it more dangerous. In your mind is the only way to regulate this to ban both for some reason?

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Brb, adding a bike lane to the nearest stroad

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And once someone (probably a child) gets hit and dies, the city will say how sorry this tragedy is... will claim they'll do something, and then do nothing. Because words are cheap. Oh, and they'll act like this wasn't avoidable, there was no way to know this kind of thing could happen.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 57 seconds ago* (last edited 38 seconds ago)

will claim they’ll do something, and then do nothing.

How would they possibly benefit from not doing anything about it in that situation? Your local municipal government isn't necessarily out to get you dude, it's usually made up mostly of normal people who want to do whats best for their community.

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