Also Proton: "metadata logging does not count as logging, and handing our logs, I mean non existent logs that only contains totally useless metadata, over to the Swiss government is fine because its the Swiss law"
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Why is our liberal government a fuckass conservative government?
Both sides are equally authoritarian once in control.
Always has been...
If you're a Canadian, please contact your MP about bill C-22, and do it now. They're voting on this in the next few days.
Salt Typhoon, a hacking group connected to the Chinese government, used the backdoors put in place by CALEA in the US to spend months buried deep in US telecoms providers surveilling citizens. The Liberals are proposing to put in place a worse version of those exact same backdoors. Bring this up to your MP, remind them that when the Chinese (or North Koreans, Iranians, Russians, or even Americans) inevitably exploit these backdoors to do the same thing to us, it's going to blow up in their faces.
Read the link above for more salient points about why this is bad law. Read Open Media's articles on it (https://openmedia.org/press/item/ottawa-repackages-its-surveillance-backdoor-in-bill-c-22). Bring up these points to your MP. Email them. Phone and demand to speak to them. Make a stink about this.
If nothing else, send the form letter from Open Media (the other options are better, but something is better than nothing); https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1#main-content
They already tried to pass this law once and it failed. Yes, they have a majority now, but it is a very slim majority. If a few MPs defect this bill will die.
My MP told me to fuck off and that it was a good thing.
I live in Quebec, my MP masturbates to videos of Donald Trump and times his nut for when Trump makes fun of the handicapped journalist.
I like how you throw in 'even the Americans' with the spying groups. We definitely spy in all our allies. And in return we encourage our allies to spy on us. It is a very calculated political game where we (all the allied countries) pass legislation and safeguards in our respective home countries and declare our citizens free of authoritarian government surveillance, but then work with the other countries spy agencies to do it for us. We intentionally put in the backdoors in our peoples networks and hand the keys to our partners just so we can say 'well I wasn't spying on you. That would be illegal!' But in the end it is effectively the same. If the allied government finds anything of interest they just send a notification over. We each have boundaries that we respect in spying on each other's people too. It is almost a formallity by this point.
Based on what happened with their e-mail, I imagine if the courts mandated IP logging for VPNs, Proton would still advertise their no-logs policy until they get caught out in a scandal and then silently update their marketing material & privacy policy afterwards. lol
ProtonMail 2018:
Now, Swiss courts have never tried to force us to log IPs, and the law is not completely clearly if we have to comply or not. If we got such a request, we would probably fight it just to test this out.
Did they ever end up fighting anything out? lol
I doubt they did - they only speak up for the fictional customer, meanwhile silently complying to whatever government requests user data from them.
They still don‘t log your IP and advocate to not even give them your data, though. If you give them your credit card number and then use their services to sell illegal substances and if authorities of your country then find your e-mail address and contact Proton about it then their hands are pretty much tied. If you use one of their offered anonymous ways to pay for their services then there is nothing they can give authorities. Ultimately it‘s your job to take care of your identity and Proton offers ways to protect it.
Ah yes, Proton, infamous for being the knee and ratting out activists to the authorities, pretends it has any semblance of a spine left.
Maybe those activists should‘ve chosen anonymity over convenience. Proton offers ways to protect yourself. They just take a little bit of effort.
every single one of those cases was the activist fucking up basic opsec not proton. They are open about the metadata stored and that they can be forced to comply by court order.
They were following a court order and only provided account metadata.
They’ll say anything just to distract their users away from them being caught red handed in the act of giving away their data to the governments all around the world.
Classic business marketing.
JFC were losing the internet everywhere.... we're just slaves to nation-states and corporations...
Turns out voting for conservatives has consequences.
Joke's on you, in the UK we have a "left wing" government and they're doing the best they can to fight against privacy!
Oh wait.. I guess the joke's on us nvm.
Yeah... I pay attention to UK politics mostly to avoid hyper focusing on depressing domestic politics, and it's devastating to see Labor shit the bed the way they have.
Like, you guys are supposed to be better than us (it's a low bar)! But they squandered their mandate in the most perverse and infuriating way. I'm sorry. Shit sucks.
Anyway, that's my half-assed perspective from listening to Pod Save the UK, the Bugle, and reading the occasional article.
the UK has it rough. They have a dogshit conservative government for a decade and then get pissed when the left cant clean it up in a single term. Also most of the voters are still falling for conservative outrage bait drumming up a ton of distraction issues like migrant crime and rape gangs.
I don't understand your comment, I thought liberals had a majority government...?
They did, this guy is just being edgy and predictable.
Blame all problems on conservatives, even when they're not in power. Libdippers can do no wrong. /s
I mean, the Libs are doing everything I'd expect from Stephen Harper's Bank of Canada guy and the Tory's Bank of England guy.
Not being able to tell if the Libs or Cons are in charge just feels like more evidence of how far we've ratcheted to the right.
I'm sure liberals would pass on the opportunity to have more power and control and would totally thrash the whole thing.
/s, but should be obvious
Liberals have a much better track record with this sort of thing.
are you aware of which party has a majority in canada’s parliament right now
🌍🧑🏻🚀🔫👨🏼🚀
Also they scammed their way (liberals) to a majority by absorbing resigning NDP members and THEN they pushed this bullshit. They're anti democratic and aligned with the pedo elite in reducing our lives to nothing since 2020. Cant wait for the revolution to start and ill be among those hanging these bastards by the neck. Idgaf about a list, hi SCRS agent.
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