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[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 hours ago

I am fairly certain that Stephen King was molested as a child, it's a recurring theme in his work in a way that seems less like an attempt to depict a general/universal fear and way more like he's just working through his own trauma. IT isn't even the best example, he's got a short story called The Library Policeman that is not subtle about it at all. Incedentally, I first read that short story in elementary school, worked better as a stranger danger warning than anything else.

[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 156 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (5 children)

Hey now, let's be clear. Stephen King did not have the clown defeated by a bunch of outcast youths gangbanging in a sewer. That's just patently incorrect. Every single part. No, he had the ancient terror disguised as a clown temporarily banished by summoning an ancient turtle from the dawn of time and engaging It in a battle of wills. Completely different and, in fact, perfectly reasonable. Anyone that's actually read the book knows the outcast youth sewer gangbang happens after that and actually has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Stephen King's not some freak writing a book where the entire plot hinges on a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other to save the world, no; he's a perfectly normal guy writing about a bunch of traumatized kids screwing each other for no reason at all. Bet you feel real silly now, huh?

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 103 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you on about? Nothing you said is remotely true, this is a gross misinterpretation of the events depicted in the book.

It's not a gangbang, it's a train. They go one after the other.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 27 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I thought that in order to be a train they should be connected to each other.

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

There is an old painting about this. Tho they are adults.Gay ottoman erotica from 1700s where everyone forms a circular chain with their dicks and ass

(Tuhfet Ul-Mulk by Shayk Al-misri, 1773)

(This is illustrated version of the Turkish translation from 1400s and there is an older, Arabic version from 1300s according to carbon-dating)

[–] gurty@lemmy.world 32 points 11 hours ago

And this was the stuff he got published. I’d dread to read his drafts and unreleased material from that era.

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I remember it being for the need to destroy their innocence or something

[–] JustinTheGM@ttrpg.network 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It was actually closer to needing to restore the power of friendship

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago

Couldn't they just like... go minigolfing or something?

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Was there not some time traveling component? Like their future selves had to find each other again and come back ti their childhoods. I thought that was what made the "children having sex" part not as triggering as it sounds,because they were actually adults. Mind you, it's been years since I read the book. I might be misremembering things.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 34 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

So ... adult-minds having sex with children's bodies?

That makes it worse!

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 22 points 11 hours ago

"They're actually 900 years old" or something

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[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 hours ago

My ex went on to get a PhD in English with Stephen king as a specific area of interest and I'm glad I don't know exactly the email to send what you said, well it would be super awkward and probably misunderstood

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Cocaine is a hell of a drug...

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Washed down with some Listerine according to his On Writing autobio

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 34 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I went into IT with an open mind and was prepared for that scene. Kept thinking that it probably made a lot of sense since many King fans had said it had a very beautiful reason behind it.

Then I get to it. And it's just stupid. Genuinely stupid.

The kids are scared of forgetting each other, because that is the power of IT. It makes people forget as they grow up.

So they want to do something meaningful to remember each other. And Bev is like: y'all can fuck me.

And I am over here like: how are the boys supposed to remember each other if they only fuck you? If that scene was supposed to make a lick of sense, the kids would have an orgy with each other and not just the boys lining up to have sex with one girl.

I can go along with weird and uncomfortable ideas in books if they make sense. In this case, it made no sense. But people either seem to defend it because they just go along with the premise or they defend King because he was high or some shit.

I'm not defending bad storytelling. IT has a lot of cool concepts in it and no one can write about small communities like King can, but I'm not gonna pretend like the kids having sex is some clever narrative device. It's very, very stupid.

I also think the Turtle is goofy af.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 18 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Tbh if my first time was a train of my bros all with the same chick, i'd probably remember them for a very long time even without a proper orgy. Though i'd probably remember them all for helping to defeat an eldritch sewer fiend anyways.

Still sounds like a stupid thing to put in a horror story about teenagers though..

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What makes it bad is they're not teenagers. They're 11 year olds.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

😑 i thought they were like 14 or something....it makes even less sense now

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It would have been so easy to just not write that part. Or her character like that at all tbh

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

It might have been easy for you or I, for King it was an insurmountable struggle

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