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[–] naticus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'd rather kill NPCs I don't like.

But seriously, looks interesting! I'll keep an eye out for this one.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Your actions in no way affect the world of the game so you can do whatever you want!"

Is this supposed to be a selling point? Giving such freedom so as to make all of your choices meaningless?

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

Technically Morrowind is the same. You can kill literally every NPC in the entire game but 1, fail every quest there is but 1 if you want to "beat" the game. Even that's arguable. You could still just kill that 1 NPC thus not needing any quests at all.

Just smart abuse of magic, potions and you can just go kill God.

Beating the entire game with 0 quests done, and 100% of all NPCs killed.

[–] esc@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really like it when quests can fail and failing actually opens another path to something. Possibility of failure in general is good as well.

[–] Mesophar@pawb.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Agreed; the idea of "you can kill any NPC, do anything you want, and still beat the game" doesn't sound appealing to me. If there really is that much freedom in how the game is "completed", then it doesn't sound like it's earned in any way. Just make it a sandbox game with no end at that point.

I'd much rather the freedom to do anything you want, but then have consequences and close off possible routes or even the ability to complete the game altogether. Maybe that is what this game actually does, I don't know, I admit I didn't read the article. But the idea of "do anything, still win!" isn't something I want.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Go play Morrowind. Its literally this. And doing it where you murder everyone and fail every quest. Is easily the hardest path and very much the most earned.

[–] Mesophar@pawb.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Morrowind was my first ES game, played it when it came out! I never deviated that far from the path to kill the important NPCs for the main quest (well, anything I guessed was main quest), out of fear of locking myself out of finishing the game. I learned early in the game that you could screw yourself over...

Don't you have to use some exploits to beat the game if you kill certain NPCs, though?

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

Nope, just a fuck load of booze chugging and magic to heal and fortify your hp.

The only problem you have to solve to beat morrowind is the damage that sunder and keening do to you.

You can solve it via wraith guard or just make your self so unbelievably tanky that it's trivial.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Opposite of Starfield I see. I would love the chance to cleanse Paradiso of life.

It sounds like New Vegas in a way. You can kill pretty much everyone you see on the spot, and Yes Man gets you to the ending no matter what you've done.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Morrowind remains the gold standard. Even if you kill a plot-critical NPC (the game lets you do this freely and simply warns you afterwards that you broke the plot), there's a hidden back route to complete the main quest. Even side quests tend to have an alternate route if a necessary NPC is likely to be killed as part of another quest.

I think there's only a single NPC that's actually required to beat the game, and even then you can work around his death by abusing some wonky gameplay mechanics.

[–] Andonyx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I remember killing Vivek just to see how far abusing soultrap could take you. I got the message that I was now living doomed world. If you can get around that, that's awesome.

[–] RollingZeppelin@piefed.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

spoiler___I wonder what the work around would be since Vivek gives you the tools you need to defeat Dagoth Ur. Other just using the console to spawn the items in.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

He doesn't give you anything, you murder him take it off their dead cold hermaphroditic corpse, then go murder the last dwarf in existence cause you don't need no help. Go rob some graves for weapons of godly power.

Then abuse the powers of magik and drugs to have 10s of 1000s of hp. So you can shrug off the joke of a security system the weapons have. While you murder a god.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

That NPC isn't even required. He just makes it easier.

You need wraith guard else the weapons needed to beat the game do absurd damage to you. If you do the msq you get it, of you murder hobo everyone you have a single back up NPC the game doesn't tell you about and even lies to your face about his existence that gives you a secondary option to get wraith guard.

But fuck it just kill him too. Then go drink an absurd amount of potions, cast god tier spells, and man handle the weapons while they do their best to kill you. But you have more God juice running though you then vivic ever could fucking hope to have.

Who cares that your taking 100s of damage every second. Just have a million hp. Its fucking Morrowind.

YOU ARE THE ONLY GOD HERE AND THE ONLY GOD THAT MATTERS DEGOTH UR. NOW GET FUCKED.