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Brexit is the UK's "electing trump" moment. Lost credibility is not easily regained.
They won't get a special deal like last time either. They'll have to switch to the Euro like everyone else.
Except the glorious kingdom of Denmark!
Denmark's currency is fixed to the Euro. They maintain control/
One small step for Europe, one giant leap backwards for Great Britain.
I wish polls would ask these three questions to see how much they really want to rejoin the EU?
My gut says people want to “roll it back” as in “go back to the sweetheart deal we had”, not realizing that option is long gone and the only option is to rejoin from scratch. I’d be curious what that type of support looks like.
Joining the euro isn't as big a deal as some people would have you believe. You just promise you will some day, then kick the can indefinitely.
Iirc you have to agree to adopt the euro once you meet a particular set of criteria, so countries who don't want to join just make sure they don't meet the criteria.
Very true, Brits might be more sceptical about rejoining the EU if adopting the Euro were a condition.
Also, freedom of movement is a slightly different thing to the Schengen Area. The UK previously had freedom of movement with the EU (allowing EU citizens to live and work in any EU country) but the UK was not in the Schengen Area (where border controls are minimised, allowing passport-free travel). Because the UK was not in the Schengen Area, a passport needed to be shown when moving between the UK and any Schengen country.
Freedom of movement is definitely a condition of being in the EU. I don't know if the UK would be required to join the Schengen Area though. Ireland and Cyprus are two EU countries outside of the Schengen Area: Ireland apparently is not obliged to join it, but Cyprus is.
Some people need to have consequences in order to learn, I guess.
The vote was only 52% to 48%. It wouldn't take much to get a swing from majority Brexit to majority Remain.
Also, the Brexit vote never defined what state that the UK would leave in while the Brexit camp was arguing for all forms of post EU relationships at once.
Nope. Most leave voters were old, so enough of them have died that the razor thin leave majority they created evaporated.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2016-eu-referendum
The majority of the people oppose the Will Of The People
Calling Brexit “the will of the people” was the most bollocks statement ever.
Not sure if the time is right as the politicians and the people who took the UK out of the EU are now busy working towards taking us out of humanity.
Why would they take you back?
Same reason they might consider letting Canada in. It bolsters the bloc’s economic and military power much more than letting small Eastern European nations in, and we’re culturally compatible despite being massive jerks (the French and Germans are massive jerks too).
Barely half the voters wanted Brexit in the first place. And a non-insignificant amount of those who did only did it for a laugh cause they thought it'd fail.
Brenter
Labour will oppose this in their lifetime because they want to win elections first and they're heavily reliant on Brexit voters to do so. The Tories will do the same for the same (and even more) reasons. That leaves you with a minority of MPs standing with parties that are even close to offering this.
You're going to have to choose people. EU or Labour + Tories?
Remind me again about why Labour has to appeal to the minority opinion to win an election?
I mean, sure, pandering to fascists has been a winning strategy for them in the polls recently.
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I voted remain. The EU isn't perfect, but we're stronger with our European brothers and sisters than we are with America and other far away countries. Lots of reform is required, the UK's leaving can hopefully be the seed changes to the 70s/80s/no longer necessary rules that aren't fit in a 2020s world.