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[–] shrek_is_love@lemmy.ml 85 points 5 days ago (4 children)

This reminds me that every conversation about Charlie Kirk should begin and end with his final words:

“Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” he asked.

“Too many,” Kirk quipped. The crowd clapped and cheered.

Five, the audience member claimed. “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?” the man continued.

Kirk leaned forward and picked up his mic before setting back into an upright position. “Counting or not counting gang violence?” he said.

A loud “pop” suddenly rang out.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-death-final-hours

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 54 points 5 days ago

God must have been tired of people misinterpreting Him and decided to lay it on real thick with this one

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I’m confused about the back and forth about shooters. An audience member said five for transgender shooters (the numerator), then asked Kirk how many mass shooters total (the denominator)?

So the audience member was trying to disagree with Kirk to suggest the transgender shooters are a small proportion?

And the Kirk comes back with the gang violence question to suggest what?

I’m genuinely confused here, no agenda, just literally don’t understand the transcript.

[–] someonesmall@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Kirks point was that most school shooters are either transgender or gang members.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago

No clue, either way the amount of mass shooters is hilarious.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think Kirk was saying trans shooters are more common if we remove gang violence from shooting stats (lower denominator).

Still bs.

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So dumb. Even if they are over represented what then? Like further oppression and alienation is going to help. But anyway thanks for clarifying.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

It was never going to not be dumb.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 55 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He died of acute high velocity irony to the neck.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

Think how lucky that blood was to not continue up into his brain, it was spared the suffering of making his thoughts into words.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago

And his death then became a Gen Alpha meme. Complete humiliation.

[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 28 points 4 days ago

Twenty years from now, no one will remember the name Charlie Kirk except for us nerds. That's the best legacy we could hope for for such a horrid human being.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 days ago

Theres only one correct way to debate reactionaries :3

[–] omgboom@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And you can't make this up, he was literally in a tent that had the words "Prove me wrong" written in big letters

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Debate me br-"

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 7 points 4 days ago

Say hello to my 7.62mm debate skills.

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 21 points 5 days ago

Crazy how some people's necks just do that

[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

I'm always going to think this was the cia, or some other group. They use clowns and don't care what happens to them. In this case I think kirk was a write off and the kid that shot him was manipulated into doing in an organic way.

The real game will end lives for theater and this was exactly that.

[–] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 22 points 5 days ago

The thing that really blasts a hole in the neck of any conspiracy theory is that he was maybe a third-tier rodeo clown who had very little mainstream visibility

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 days ago

He started talking shit about the poor downtrodden snowflake victim Israelis and got shot afterwards. Then Netanyahu puts out a video thanking Americans for the money they extorted from us, which has never happened as far as I recall, and firmly let everyone know that it was absolutely not them who was responsible for his death.

Can't imagine what happened there.

[–] BeUnique@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm convinced that Israel had something to do with it. He didn't get in line when the rest of the clowns fell into place. Then his handler aka his wife tried to convince him to get with the program, he refused. Fighting ensued, they were going through marital problems at the time (text message evidence).

Then whatta you know, his now widowed wife takes over his business, goes on tour with fake ass tears (videos of her dropping them in before going on stage), and brings in none other than her ex boyfriend to run Toilet Paper USA with her....

[–] SirSmoothAES@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't know why people need Charlie Kirk to be this martyr for Palestine when he was pro-genocide until the very end.

The only thing he went back and forth on were the Epstein files which lends credibility to my theory that the Trump admin is behind his assassination since Trump is all over the files and they couldn't have somebody with ties to the White House grant his followers permission to investigate his involvement.

[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And it would be quite easy too, lock him in information bubble and slowly manipulate him to do it. Considering levels of surveliance it would be easy to set pieces in real world and in internet.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't understand why you think this. These online echo chambers already exist. Why would it have to be the CIA that pushed him to do it? IMO, that's just conspiratorial thinking with no evidence.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

4chan's Chris "Moot" Poole created /pol/ immediately after meeting Jeff Epstein

Just a coincidence.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 2 points 4 days ago

Definitely not a coincidence. Epstein and Steve Bannon were working on a project to turn kids to the right. Even if you concede that the CIA is involved in the creation, that doesn't mean the CIA was behind the Charlie Kirk murder.

[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just said it would be easy and I don't believe in it either. But I bet many of these echo chambers are run by government organizations.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 1 points 4 days ago

Certainly many governments including the US, Israel, and Russia have been caught with troll farms, funding radical influencers, etc. I don't think it's far fetched to believe that a state actor is sowing discord within their own people. Just look at COINTELPRO for a good example of the FBI infiltrating and dividing leftist movements.

My main gripe is the jump from skepticism to conspiracy. Through a host of conspiracies, the right has eroded the concept of truth to the point that people only look to right-wing leaders for guidance. This is intentionally done to grab power from those that are more willing to deliberate evidence. I'm worried the left could fall victim to a similar fate if they get too ready to assume conspiracies must be true. If we assume without evidence, we could easily get swept up by a charismatic leader looking to tell us what we want to hear.

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 5 points 5 days ago

If we are doing a conspiracy, I’d like add on; it was supposed to be AOC but the organization is inept.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 days ago

I agree, Kirk wasn’t minding the party line on Epstein list matters

[–] Juice@midwest.social 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Calling Kirk's murder a "debate loss" is so fucking funny. Esp the discourse around debate celebrities in general.

I can't fucking stand Slavoj Zizek but the way he broke Peterson's brain by just agreeing with him back when people gave a shit and JP was at the height of his chud intellectual celebrity -- so much so that he spiraled into benzo addiction and dropped from the public spotlight for a year and a half was hilarious.

But the phrase, "he will never recover" is so prevalent in these asinine YouTube debate wank spaces. And yet truly, thankfully, CK will never recover

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Morman kid or Mossad either way he was shot by a white supremisist so the point stands

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget the irony of the "OwO what's this" in the casing

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I truly believe that was etched after the shooting was done.

[–] Danarchy@lemmy.nz 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The whole pentagon religion thing is just them getting back at Mormons for poppin Charlie’s neck

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago

I hope it's a sign that their coalition us fracturing

[–] ZarathustrasApe@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 days ago