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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Starmer really couldn’t be any more of a useless fucking prick.

Btw they already have this here in Australia and the kids have graduated to meeting for machete battles in shopping centres now that talking things out is banned.

[–] RustySharp@programming.dev 3 points 23 hours ago

Ehhh... The sharp implement battles have kinda always been there. Knifepoint didn't earn it's nickname for nothing.

And the kids have graduated to using VPN; which I believe has always been the endgame for the govt. How many times have they tried to ban encryption?

"The laws of mathematics is well and good, but we respect the laws of Australia here" - Some knob that somehow managed to become PM

[–] Naich@piefed.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel safer already, and I'm 59. Thanks Keir!

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Right this is all about old people feeling safe, it has NOTHING to do with reality and it is shocking people like you are aggressively willing to endorse the destruction of things that were vital lifelines for people just because it gives you good feelings.

edit I took the sarcasm bait hook line and sinker lol

[–] Naich@piefed.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

My bad, that was actually a great sarcastic comment, it is just so many older people have said almost that exact same thing to me in total seriousness about equally stupid shit that doesn't effect them/actively hurts them and only hurts others but their heart of hearts wanted... that I was unable to realize this was the unicorn moment.

To be honest, that kind of thinking typifies that generation so.... you gotta include a /s lol.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In a move to protect children online and address the scale of the challenge, the government will also go further than a blanket ban on social media with world-leading blocks on harmful functions such as livestreaming and stranger communication with children for under-16s. These restrictions – which together with the ban go further than any other country – will apply to a wider range of online services, including on gaming sites.

Restrictions on these functionalities will also be on by default for under 16- and 17-year-olds to prevent a cliff-edge at 16. The government will also be looking in more detail at overnight curfews and breaks in infinite scrolling for under-18-year-olds and will set out more detail in July. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/youth-voters-labour-election_uk_69e86af8e4b0fa6ffe8ffa5a

Labour risks losing “a generation of young voters” to the Greens and Reform, according to one of its own MPs.

Luke Charters told HuffPost UK that Labour has always been the “party young people backed when it mattered”.

But he warned: “If we don’t show we’re serious about delivering, we risk losing a generation to populists peddling false hope.”

Labour legalised voting for 16 and 17-year-olds, too.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/representation-of-the-people-bill-policy-summaries/votes-at-16

Representation of the People Bill 2026: Extending the right to vote to 16 and 17 year olds

I'm not sure that these are necessarily the most-advantageous policies for Labour to adopt in conjunction with each other, but I suppose that we will see how it works out.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago

Wildly undemocratic.

[–] recursivepickle@piefed.social 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I see no mention of Rumble or Telegram. Are they left out on purpose, or because they have no idea what they are doing?

[–] tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 4 points 16 hours ago

How would politicians get their class A drugs delivered if they banned under-16s from Telegram?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

They say that they intentionally aren't targeting messaging services, so Telegram might be exempt.

This would capture user-to-user platforms, whose purpose is to enable social interaction and which allow users to post material, alongside algorithms. The ban will therefore include platforms like Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and X. We do not intend for messaging services like WhatsApp and Signal to be included in the social media ban.

That being said, I'm a little fuzzy on how this is targeting communicating with strangers, since I'd imagine that more people do that via messaging platforms than, say, YouTube:

In a move to protect children online and address the scale of the challenge, the government will also go further than a blanket ban on social media with world-leading blocks on harmful functions such as livestreaming and stranger communication with children for under-16s. These restrictions – which together with the ban go further than any other country – will apply to a wider range of online services, including on gaming sites.

That's a good point on Rumble, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumble_(company)

Rumble, Inc. is a Canadian-American online video platform, web hosting, and cloud services business[8][9] headquartered in Toronto, Canada, with its U.S. headquarters in Longboat Key, Florida. It was founded in 2013 by Chris Pavlovski, a Canadian technology entrepreneur. Rumble's cloud services business hosts Truth Social, and the video platform is popular among American conservative and far-right users. Rumble has been described as "alt-tech".

Rumble received investment from venture capitalists Peter Thiel, Vivek Ramaswamy and JD Vance in May 2021, with that round of funding valuing Rumble at around $500 million.[21] In October 2021, Rumble acquired Locals.[22] On December 14, 2021, Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG) announced that it entered a "wide-ranging technology and cloud services agreement" with Rumble in a statement that also stated that Rumble would operate part of Truth Social as well as TMTG.[23]

According to a June 2021 article from Slate, "Pavlovski has recently become more outspoken in accusing Big Tech of censorship and now actively courts prominent conservatives and intellectual dark web figures to join Rumble."[50] It also hosted Truth Social as of June 2022.[62] In August 2021, Rumble reached agreements with former Democratic Representative Tulsi Gabbard and The Intercept founder Glenn Greenwald to start posting their videos to the site.[63]

As of August 15, 2022, Rumble reported 78 million monthly active users (MAU).[64] That month, after being banned from most other platforms for hate speech and harmful conduct, kickboxer and social media personality Andrew Tate began posting on Rumble. Tate's move coincided with a significant increase in downloads of the Rumble app.[65][66] Other prominent figures to join in 2021 include far-right podcaster Nick Fuentes, who has become one of their biggest streamers.[67]

And in that vein, gab.com:

https://gab.com/

You won't find Gab on the Apple App Store or Google Play. We've been banned since 2017 for refusing to censor speech that Big Tech demanded we remove. But you can still get our app on your phone—and it works just as well as any native app.

Freedom of Speech & Reach

All First Amendment protected speech is welcome. No algorithmic throttling or shadow banning like other platforms.

Battle Tested

A decade of standing strong against censorship. Banned from app stores, banks, and payment processors—and still here.

Being banned from app stores for nearly a decade shows how serious we are about defending free speech. We also reject all foreign censorship demands and data requests for so-called "hate speech" from foreign nations. On Gab your speech stays protected and we have the scars to prove it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

Gab is an American alt-tech microblogging and social networking service. Widely described as a haven for far-right and alt-right users, Gab has attracted users and groups who have been banned from other social media platforms and users seeking alternatives to mainstream social media platforms. Founded in 2016 and launched publicly in May 2017, Gab claims to promote free speech, individual liberty, the "free flow of information online", and Christian values. Researchers and journalists have characterized these assertions as an obfuscation of its extremist ecosystem.

And 4chan, while I'm on that:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko

The UK online safety regulator Ofcom has fined the US messaging platform 4Chan a total of £520,000 for failing to comply with various aspects of the Online Safety Act.

It includes £450,000 for failing to put in age checks to prevent children from seeing pornography on the platform.

However, a lawyer representing the company - which has previously said it won't pay such fines - has responded to the demand with an AI-generated cartoon image of a hamster.

In a follow-up post on X, 4Chan's lawyer Preston Byrne wrote: "In the only country in which 4chan operates, the United States, it is breaking no law and indeed its conduct is expressly protected by the First Amendment."

The latest image is not the first picture of a hamster lawyers for 4chan have sent in reply to Ofcom

Like, if part of the net effect winds up being a transfer of Britain's children and teenagers from websites that care about and follow British regulations to websites


some of which are hard right


that do not care about British regulation, it will be interesting.

[–] recursivepickle@piefed.social 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm thinking they might be using the definition from Digital Services Tax policies, which state that:

The social media definition focuses on two key aspects of user participation. An online service will meet the definition when both of the following conditions are met:

  • The main purpose, or one of the main purposes, of the service is to promote interaction between users (including interaction between users and user-generated content).
  • Making content generated by users available to other users is a significant feature of the service.

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/digital-services-tax/dst14200

If that's the case, then Rumble et al would be banned too. It might just be, that the press release just mentions the most popular ones.

That they don't intend to target messaging platforms like WhatsApp and Signal (and potentially Telegram) is a bit of a greyzone. Telegram is more social network than messaging app these days, where channels are a huge part of the platform. In fact, it's such an important part, that WhatsApp copied the Channel feature to their platform.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Rumble would be banned too

Yeah, but my point is really that some services, probably including Rumble, won't care about regulatory action. So the next action, if this continues, would presumably be the British government doing what Russia did, which is mandating that British ISPs set up to block access to government-specified hosts, because legal routes currently being attempted on them won't work.

Then the VPNs and similar come out, and presumably if it keeps going, again, the UK does what Russia did, which is disallow commercial VPNs from operating in the UK without blocking traffic to said hosts internal to the VPN.

Then the next step is things like VPNs that rely on data harvesting instead of commercial sales, so can't be pressured by payment processors operating in jurisdictions that don't care about legal action, Tor, DIY proxies (e.g. get cheap VPS in random place, run SOCKS proxy/VPN), and so on. At some point, the British government stops following up, and someone starts making one-click solutions juuust beyond what enforcement goes after.

Telegram is more social network tham messaging app these days

Ah, gotcha, thanks


I don't use it.

[–] recursivepickle@piefed.social 1 points 5 hours ago

That, yes. They had to arrest Durov before he started doing anything about Telegram.

I have no notes on the rest of your points, it will likely be a gigantic shitshow.

[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

YouTube is... social? I thought it was just a pile of videos.

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 8 points 1 day ago

if only there's a kids version of it... that somehow has even more addictive algorithm than the adult version...

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Almost anything has comments. Even the shops with potatoes and socks.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Which is why these kinds of bans will always be extremely inconsistent, ineffective and ultimately only harmful to the people who cannot get around the bullshit blocks that the vast majority of kids simply circumvent.

So the kids with tech savy parents get to learn how to access the internet and get all those benefits, but kids who grow up without techy parents are thrown to the dogs, sounds fair!

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Occasionally I think it’s weird how it used to just be this place to upload random videos for people to see, and now it’s all pricks with pencil mustaches narrating into a light ring and building a “brand”, and adverts and paid promotions. I think the last thing I bothered to upload was some idiots in armour battering the shit out of each other in a field.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

Hopefully it's the same as Australia where they name specific sites and not generic unclear definitions like the OSA

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Extremely happy with this one. I understand everyone's worries about surveillance and all that, and I agree with a lot of it, but I think in this case it's worth it. Social media is just that bad.

From my own point of view, I hate hate hate Instagram/Facebook/Tiktok. When my kids get to that age I'd be facing a binary choice of either letting them use it or turning them into the "one weird kid in the class who isn't allowed insta". Even if this law is only 25% effective, that's good enough for me. My kids will be in that 25% not using it, and I don't have to worry about them being social pariahs.

From a wider point of view, social media is severely fucking up the entire world. I think it's too much for most adults, let alone kids. No way should kids be on there.

[–] BMP5k@feddit.uk 4 points 22 hours ago

If we agree social media can be harmful, then why is it an age question and not changing it at its source for everyone like removing infinite scroll. All this does is normalise ID checks for social media so that when the kids are old enough to be on it, they don't see an issue with assigning their ID to their online activity. At the same time we have people getting arrested for protesting which is meant to be a human right.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Where is your hard evidence? You don't know what you are talking about and you are going off the vibes of a moral panic to make the choice to attempt to massively censor public discourse... while you are on the fediverse of all places!?

We note three main findings from our review. First, these studies do not include children or adolescents. Across the studies, not one study reported a mean age of participants below 18. Only eight included any participants under 18, and all of these studies recruited from university human subjects pools or university mailing lists, meaning participants likely were college students. The youngest participant reported in any study was 16 years old. This means that we do not have findings from the populations that these bans are targeting.

Second, these studies' brief length of intervention and frequent use of social media reduction instead of restriction may limit the relevance of their findings to long-term, complete bans at the population level. Social media restriction periods ranged from 1 day to 3 months, with half of the studies imposing the restriction for 1 week or less. The mean length of restriction across all studies was 16.3 days. Furthermore, just 21 out of 40 studies implemented full social media restriction in the experimental condition. That means that the other 19 out of 40 studies tested a partial social media reduction, not a full restriction protocol. Participants in partial reduction studies were allowed to use social media every day up to a predetermined limit. The brief length and frequent use of partial reduction further limit the external validity of the findings with respect to informing anticipated impacts of long-term, complete bans.

Third, even if we were to extend these findings downward to adolescents, there is little evidence to date that impacts would be practically meaningful or even positive in direction. In the meta-analyses of these data to date, average effects have been indistinguishable from zero (Ferguson, 2024) or small in size (ḡ = 0.17), leading authors to conclude, “Restriction is likely not the most effective method of improving subjective wellbeing in today's digital age” (Burnell et al., 2025, p. 11). Neither meta-analysis found any evidence that length of restriction or extent of restriction (full vs. partial) moderated the effect sizes (Burnell et al., 2025; Ferguson, 2024). However, both meta-analyses found evidence that older age was associated with greater benefits of social media restriction (Burnell et al., 2025; Ferguson, 2024).

Across the 40 studies identified in our review, while most studies documented a positive impact, eight studies found null results, and eight studies found decreases in wellbeing resulting from social media restriction (see Table 1). The vast majority of the effect sizes were small (for a comprehensive analysis, see Burnell et al., 2025). Notably, participants were not masked to their experimental condition and trials were conducted in a context where people are told that social media is bad for one's wellbeing and that taking a break will lead to improvements. Therefore, it is surprising that the average impacts of the experiments were not more positive due to the fact the study designs were biased toward finding positive impacts.

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/developmental-psychology/articles/10.3389/fdpys.2026.1805989/full

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/06/how-and-why-fight-back-against-social-media-bans

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/06/internet-age-gates-are-growing-global-threat

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 0 points 20 hours ago

Where is your hard evidence?

I'm sure you scrolled past plenty of studies that agreed with me when searching for your cherry picked example.