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New Outlook takes 10 seconds to show an email after clicking a Windows 11 notification. Outlook Classic does it instantly.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

This is the same with most software today.

We have extraordinarily fast computers and we still have to wait for shit to happen like it’s 1993.

I’m a dev: the problem as I see it has been the focus on “developer productivity “. This means adopting practices that are not consumer friendly.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

The predominant attitude in software development for a while also took user hardware for granted.

You didn't need to optimise for memory and CPU usage, because computers are so powerful now, and memory was plentiful that it wasn't anything you needed to concern yourself with, except in the extreme case.

Whereas in 1993, you were much more constrained, so had to squeeze things in to make it run well, or at all.

[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Doesn't it also have to go through the process of collecting all the data it can possibly get?

[–] arararagi@ani.social 2 points 2 hours ago

The current practices are to make software faster to create, not to use.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Search in Outlook always was a dumpster fire. But the search in the latest version of Outlook has failed to clear even the already low expectations I had for it.

I now save a copy of any email I think I’ll need to reference in the future in a folder on my PC.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 16 points 7 hours ago

This is the same idiot misrepresenting WhatsApp ram usage. His job is to inflame, not inform.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 40 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

The new Outlook has been a shit show since day 1. When they first released it it couldn’t load PSTs, it couldn’t use COM add ins, it didn’t link correctly with Teams. You couldn’t correctly add shared calendars. The list just keeps on going, and all the things it fell short on was all stuff that business users heavily relied on.

Granted some of them need to go, but it’s like they didn’t even pay attention to what was used.

[–] Buckshot@programming.dev 6 points 4 hours ago

It's been truly terrible. When i first tried it, you didn't get a tooltip showing the actual URL of links before you click them, you know, the thing literally every mandatory phishing training I've had to do for the past 20 years.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What gets me still is our work using MS SSO for all our work credentials but it always tells me to "open outlook and select displayed numerical code" to sign in on my phone but never once has it actually worked even if I'm literally sitting at the desktop with Outlook open on the screen. I always have to select "more options" and have them text or email a verification code.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

Sounds to me like your Authenticator app link was broken. Had that happen to me when I did an upgrade of my phone. The phone name stayed the same and the app was restored but the underlying link was broken. Had to completely remove it from the MS security portal and readd it.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago (5 children)

Who the hell uses Outlook???

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 minutes ago

The problem I need to solve is accessing multiple inboxes, outlook and gmail. The Outlook client does that.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm forced to at my job. It's either outlook or outlook online, no third party clients.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Ya that sucks. Various businesses and organizations probably have contracts without work to use exclusively their software....

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

It is the standard in the corporate world.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Seamonkey or bust

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 21 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I'm so tired of companies replacing apps with far inferior updates. If you need to rewrite, at least ensure it can do the same job.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I'm going to disagree slightly.

IMO, outlook is bloated. It has too many features that are either confusing or difficult to use. Microslop should have released a completely new mail app and given it a new providence along with modern features.

Think gmail but it would work with any email account.

Made with modern programming practices. Streamlined and zippy.

But nope.

They needed to create Outlook (new). Which they enshittified.

I fucking hate Outlook. It is stuck in the age of emails being the primary source of communication in a company. Teams isn't any better. (Give me back slack please!!!!)

But let's be clear here: we (the users) aren't Outlook customers. Corporate IT is. And from their standpoint, Outlook does exactly what they need it to do.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 5 hours ago

Made with modern programming practices. Streamlined and zippy.

LMAO

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure a lot of the bloat is due to needing to make every single thing backwards compatible due to corporations using it and building tools with it for decades.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Bingo! But MS has managed all that brilliantly with Excel, mainly by NOT fucking with it.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Gmail is fine for home use, but not for heavy office use. Outlook is a productivity application and needs to stay one, not just an email client.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

My last job used Google for email, auth across multiple apps and office productivity. Worked fairly well, but HR and Accounting still needed Office.

I argued Active Directory would be as cheap or cheaper and far easier to manage, AND give us options we didn't have. For some reason that whole place hated AD.The misconceptions were staggering, as if all they knew was from Windows Server 2003.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 71 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The examples are pretty funny. Is VERY slow. Like I thought old outlook was a bit on the slow side for syncing. The videos they provide are remarkably slow in every day interactions.

[–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 26 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The only improvement I notice is the search. But to be honest that feature couldn't get any worse anyway.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 8 points 6 hours ago

Which is impressive because it still sucks balls. Especially when it misses items, so you need to dig through folders to find the item. Only for the subject to have the exact word you searched for and it somehow didn't show up.

Plus the annoying top results and search results being mixed in the same view. Either just sort by time or by relevance. Don't go mixing them together into a messy results view that's hard to use.

They've calmed down a bit with it now, but there was this phase where they had those small little popups all over the place whenever they changed stuff or added something new. Sometimes even two or three of them you needed to clear just to do the damn job you booted up the infernal program for in the first place. It would drive me insane. Especially when there was something actually worth looking at, but I need to do my job first. But in order to use the tool, you needed to close those popups and once you did they were gone forever. So good job remember what it was and how to find it. Such awful UX design.

Tho Plex recently did a full screen wizard to show off their new "Discussion" feature. A feature I do not want and will never use. But I was still required to go through the slide deck on each of my devices before I could use the app again. UX is really an art and in my experience kind of a lost art for the most part these days.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 55 points 11 hours ago (9 children)

I have to use Outlook for work. It's difficult or impossible to find the features that were actually useful in the new Outlook.

I still use old Outlook because at least it actually works.

It’s so, so bad. I hate it so much. It makes me angry every time I have to do it. Especially when I try to do some sort of action that’s buried 3 menus deep but it decides to sync something at that moment and just pops you out of whether the fuck you were trying to do.

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[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago
[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 29 points 11 hours ago

Good thing that the new Outlook at least doesn't force itself onto you.... oh, wait

[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 28 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I don't understand how people can stand this sort of software (or quality of software). The only explanation is they are hostages of the situation.

[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 25 points 11 hours ago

That's been Microsoft's business strategy for decades now.

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[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 7 points 8 hours ago

Okay, yes. That sounds like it's a drawback, but additionally you get not being notified of meetings and looking like an asshole all the time! What a great deal!

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 8 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I use Thunderbird for my stuff. I like it for personal email. Its good enough.

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[–] silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

We have had 5x, 10x, 100x productivity gains from AI for a year or two (or more?). Where is this reflected in Microsoft products?

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Like the productivity gains of the past 50 years, the gains have gone straight to the wealthy.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago

100x the output of slop features and projects

nobody said the productivity gains would be on quality products. it's quantity over quality 1000%

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