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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 45 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] db2@lemmy.world 27 points 4 hours ago
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 63 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Why would I leave a key under my mat for the cops in the first place?

[–] DrakeAlbrecht@lemmy.world 76 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Cops can just knock down the door.

[–] DrakeAlbrecht@lemmy.world 36 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're used to being able to force their way in anywhere, but in the digital space, many people have steel security doors, and the police don't have a battering ram big enough.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago

Also, kicking down the door leaves evidence and usually require some sort of justification or approval. If they have a key to a backdoor, they don't have to tell anyone they were inside, or ask for permission to use it.

[–] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 hours ago

You wouldn't, but that's what governments are effectively asking be done, lending validity to the analogy.

[–] skvlp@lemmy.wtf 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, it’s not like there’s cases of police committing abuse and misuse, are there…?

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

A rare insight into Tim Cook’s mind.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 49 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

We have an easy peasy solution to that.
We will just make it illegal for burglars to look under the mat.
And if they do look under the mat, we will also make it illegal fro them to take the key.
Finally we will also make it illegal for burglars to use the key.

See there an absolutely bullet proof solution, so why does the tech industry continue to claim this is a bad idea?
As a politician I simply can't understand why they are so contrary to this idea that will increase safety for everybody!!

/s (just in case)

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Or... you and a friend on another floor put your keys under each other's mats. Then you both always have a way in and the chance of a burglar figuring it out is almost zero.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago)

That’s security through obscurity, as well as shared keys.

What happens when the burglar in waiting watches someone grab the key and use it?

Or in the case of phone security, what happens when your address is printed on the key?

A better analogy is fire lock boxes, where apartment complexes have a master key stored in a box out front that can be unlocked with a master key firemen carry.

Unfortunately, that bic pen trick turned out to work on those lock boxes a decade or so ago, meaning all a burglar needed to get into ANY residence in ANY building with a fire lock box was a bic pen. In fact, a burglar could open the box, get the key, duplicate it, put it back in the box, and nobody would even know security had been compromised.

It’s a pretty good analogy for what’s being asked for here.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Granted, it's a work in progress; after all the commandment that says "You shall not steal" hasn't fully stopped burgling or thieving, but I'm sure it will happen soon.

[–] Today@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

They just haven't shown it to enough school kids yet. That will fix it!

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Talk is cheap

Keep pretending that the NSA doesn't already have a million backdoors in your proprietary garbage, Tim.

[–] kaidenshi@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Considering they are sending all of your iOS activity back to themselves without encryption, to track you for ad serving, yep.

https://www.osnews.com/story/145322/apple-adds-keylogger-to-ios-app-store-for-targeted-advertising-tied-to-your-account-and-unencrypted/

[–] Snowcano@startrek.website 10 points 4 hours ago

So where’s the actual story with the ’provided screenshots’? This article is just some rando saying things.

[–] ennof@feddit.org 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This article is based on... a random twitter post that it does not even link to? I'd like to see concrete data supporting this claim.

Whole article be like: source: trust me bro

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It sounds like you trust Apple. I don't

From 2022: Apple sued for tracking users' activity even when turned off in settings The iPhone maker knows a lot about what a user does on their phone.

App developers and security researchers Tommy Mysk and Talal Haj Bakry from the software company Mysk recently found that iOS sends "every tap you make" to Apple from inside one of the company's own apps. According to the developers, attempts to turn this data collection off, such as selecting the Settings option "disable the sharing of Device Analytics altogether" did not affect the data from being sent.

https://mashable.com/article/apple-data-privacy-collection-lawsuit

From 2026: Apple plans to change its Hide My Email privacy feature that could make it less effective

Apple said in a note to developers on Monday that in the coming weeks the company will move its anonymously generated email addresses to @private.icloud.com, effectively making it easier for apps and websites to know that an email address is private and block users from signing up.

Existing addresses will continue to function and forward mail without interruption, Apple said in the note to developers. The company added that app and email providers would have to update their filtering to ensure that emails to customers who rely on the feature continue to go through.

Several Apple users on Reddit criticized the change to the email domain, saying it would make it more difficult to use the service.

https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/16/apple-plans-to-change-its-hide-my-email-privacy-feature-that-could-make-it-less-effective/

From 2026: Siri AI may be privacy-first, but the new 'personal-context understanding' features really creep me out

Here's the thing. it doesn't actually matter how secure Apple makes its AI, I'm still not too keen on it being able to dive into the depths of my phone to score for data. It doesn't matter if the goal of that is to hand over some random piece of potentially-helpful information when it thinks I might need it.

https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/apple-intelligence/articles/siri-ai-may-privacy-first-051500606.html

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 40 minutes ago

I don’t trust Apple, but I also don’t blanket distrust them. Of those three articles you posted, the only one that gives me pause is the one from 2022 where Apple was sending App Store navigation data back home. I have NEVER trusted the App Store. It has been intentionally hard to use, using dark patterns, and tracking usage ever since iPhone OS 2. Unfortunately for the researchers, it has also been very clear about this; it’s essentially a website that can only be accessed with their custom client.

Up until recently, I’ve mostly trusted Apple because their business goals align with my personal goals; breaking that trust would only harm them without providing any benefit. Recently however, the services arm of the company has gone more aggressively into advertising; I don’t trust ANYTHING from Apple that’s linked to advertising, which now includes not only the App Store, iCloud, Books, News, Stocks, Fitness, Podcasts, Apple Music and Apple TV, but also Apple Maps.

[–] kobra@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's important to note that quote was from 2015.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago

So this was before he just made gurgling noises with Trump's ball sack in his mouth like he does now.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 18 points 6 hours ago

Especially when the cops ARE the burglars in the first place.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ArchEngel@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

Already signed, took very little time.

[–] ZeroGravitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Why are you drawing your curtains? You must have something to hide. All your neighbours live in glass houses, why do you insist on this strange idea of privacy? Open up, if you're not guilty there's nothing to be afraid of.

Only guilty people draw the curtains.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"But," he continued, "If you put an obsolete anthrax-infected key under your mat, that's one burglar we don't have to worry about."

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Also, we paid some bribes to a fascist so....

[–] lyralycan@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

A burglar doesn't intend to fuck up your whole life and/or extinguish it. I prefer the burglar over the cop.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Nevermind a disgruntled employee just sharing it.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 5 hours ago

Will* find it.