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Recent post in fuckcars caused a lot of China whataboutism. Wasn't there a good concise source to send to libs?

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[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 18 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

There is no photographic or video evidence whatsoever. You can’t prove a negative. The burden of proof is on whoever makes the accusation.

[–] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 22 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'd take this farther, pointing out how there should be a ton of evidence of mass murder, but there isn't any.

China, like Palestine, is a place where most people have access to smart phones. You're telling me there's exactly zero evidence of mass murder that's come out of China, while we have about a billion photos and videos from Palestine?

The U.S. and plenty of other countries have satellites that can show you individual cars -- and that's what's publicly available! You're telling me the U.S. can't come up with a single satellite photo of a death camp? The best you got is a building with a fence around it somewhere?

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

"Evil chinese government censors the footage"

Well, Israel censors footage too, and Gaza is completely surrounded and we still see leaks daily. At what point does Occam's Razor win out over Occident's Racism?

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 4 points 7 hours ago

Gaza had its internet cut off and still managed to get footage out there. And that's just from the Palestinian side. Israelis were bragging about their crimes all over social media in plain terms (like "Hahaha I just shot a little kid in front of its parents," not even trying to hide it in coded language).

So either China has the most sophisticated spying and censorship apparatus ever conceived of that's capable of erasing footage instantaneously anywhere in the world, or there isn't a genocide.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 9 points 20 hours ago

They have some spurious satellite images of what looks like temporary worker dormitories for construction sites, to claim that they were extermination camps

[–] miz@hexbear.net 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.

from https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 3 points 21 hours ago

I didn't know I needed this explanation. Thanks.

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Best resource: there is no photographic or video evidence.

We've seen a livestreamed genocide for the past years, people from Gaza bravely smuggling videos out despite the best attempts of the Zionazi regime controlling their internet and their borders.

Yet there is not one shred of video evidence of anything remotely resembling a genocide in Xinjiang.

To anyone disregarding this as "le Chinese control of internet", you're never going to convince them otherwise

[–] test_@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This site needs "contentious topic megathreads" pinned or sidebarred for easy access to sources.

In the meantime, Dessalines has a lot of sources here. Search "Xinjiang". It could stand to be more glance-able, maybe a Cliff's notes above all the hyperlinked article titles.

Also, fair warning, if you send that link page directly to a lib they will shut down and not read a word, so be selective. I suggest finding one article, or a small selection.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 5 points 22 hours ago

It's kind of weird how we don't have a sidebar for it when we get one of these posts at least once a week (like the recent one on Tienanmen) where people always correctly remark that we should have a sidebar for it and then it doesn't happen.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My favorite part about the uighur thing is the last i checked the wikipedia page downgraded genocide to "mistreatment" lol

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 5 points 20 hours ago

don't talk to me about xinjiang until you've been there. DYOR

[–] miz@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago
[–] starweasel@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago
[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] beanlover@hexbear.net 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

You don't understand I need content to read through on /r/fuckcars otherwise I will explode. (I've been less interested in consuming reddit content overall, but I do have some guilty pleasure subreddits that don't have busy alternatives in the fediverse (I think))