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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 85 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What? Gavin Newsome was actually just a standard neoliberal politician, just doing a song and dance for Trump haters rather than being an actual progressive up and comer?

Who would have guessed? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked /s

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 87 points 5 days ago (4 children)

If he pisses off donors, he'll never be president. They'll just pivot to someone else.

He's going to count on low Dem primary turnout, then being the lesser evil against whatever trump does with the Republican party.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

It's why America won't avert desaster, they simply won't cut to the heart of the problem, the doners themselves.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I mean, the DNC literally did years ago...

It's just billionaire owned media want to discourage primary turnout so neoliberals have a chance.

Nothing matters more than Dem primaries. At this point general elections are what they are, most people are blindly voting by party for one reason or another. Just straight ticket one way or the other regardless of names.

So we need to make sure when a Dem makes it to a general, it's someone we want.

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The fun part is because the primaries aren’t an actual government election they can just use their superdelegates to choose whatever neoliberal ghoul they want anyways, like they did with Hilary

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You should read up on how that was done by Hillary funding the DNC via her "victory fund"...

How that was the "war chest" Biden inherited and Kamala got the nomination because she had strings on it...

How that whole time it was wielded by the neoliberals to force compliance....

And then realize that the day the new DNC chair took over, he started dumping that money all over state parties, with extra to states we could gain seats in.

Like bro, 3 years ago you'd have been preaching to the choir.

But in 2026, you're streets behind.

[–] jambudz@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago

All the progressive candidates who were against dark money lost in my local primaries for state and county positions. And the now governor spent money again for campaign ads for the candidate he knows he can crush. (Won by 44 percent in 2022 against the crazy right wing candidate in the general election)

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

they simply won't cut...the doners themselves.

Oh my god, that's it. That's the solution.

This entire time, we just left the doner spinning away instead of slicing it into the delicious kebab it was made to be.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

they simply won’t cut to the heart of the problem

It's a big thick fucking problem. You're talking about an entire $32T economy's worth of millions, billionaires, and - I guess now - trillionaires to carve away. And the problem continues to grow with every booming economic cycle. Sort of the paradox of democratic politics. The thing you presumably want - strong economic growth and domestic prosperity - creates the people you hate.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Edit: Misread, though you were being extra like the other guy

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You misread the other guy, too.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Damn it, Frankly y'all need to make your snide comments clearer. Def not my fault :3

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If he pisses off donors, he’ll never be president.

There's a balancing act to be played. Hillary had the lion's share of donors in 2008. Jeb Bush was the guy with all the donor energy in 2016. And Bernie Sanders was the single largest fundraiser in 2020, absent Bloomberg and Steyer who self-funded.

Donors will bend to the popular candidate far more easily than candidates can buy popularity with donor dollars.

He’s going to count on low Dem primary turnout

That doesn't really help him. He's got name recognition but low favorables, particularly in his home state. He needs to influence a lot of know-nothing primary voters to get to the general. And then he needs enthusiasm all the way to the finish line. Otherwise, he's going to go the way of Mitt Romney in 2012 or Kerry in 2004 - scraping his way into the general and then bombing when people just repeat his dogshit takes for six months. Trump takes a third term no problem if there's not a Big Blue Wave in 2028.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

count on low Dem primary turnout

That'll basically depend on no progressive candidates showing up. So far so good, I guess.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip -3 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'm never holding my nose to vote again.

[–] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Great. Show up to the primary and maybe nobody has to hold their nose to vote.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That or get your state to implement ranked-choice like Maine does. The only reason we vote strategicly is because we mathamaticlly have to to vote against a greater evil.

Not or, and. Sit out the elections and whoever wins is sure to simply ignore you.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

There is no logical reason to not vote in the Dem primary because it costs you nothing and prevents you from doing nothing.

There is literally no reason not to.

[–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 0 points 3 days ago

"I'd rather do nothing and watch people die, than do something to try and stop people dying"

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago

Then you are responsible for what the GOP does to trans women like me.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

Newsom seems too desperate for big power. I find him to be disingenuous, although many leagues more positive and good than trump.