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“Mistakenly, we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and adjusting the design requirements that we had, that that would produce a high-quality product,” said Charles Poon, VP of vehicle hardware engineering, in a briefing this week with reporters.

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[–] portifornia@piefed.social 68 points 3 days ago (4 children)

According to Poon, some of the company’s most experienced personnel left before all of their accumulated knowledge could be fully transferred into Ford’s automated systems. That necessitated bringing back some of those employees to retrain those systems...

See this, nothing was learned by these slop-shits. Their take away wasn't humans-with-experience > than slop-bots. It was, unfortunately, 'we didn't extract enough knowledge from the humans that helped build our company before tossing as many humans away as possible. Once we've extracted enough, we'll try again.'

Fuck you poon and co.

[–] kevinsky@feddit.nl 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Funny how the capitalist narrative is that the CEO types "deserve" all they get because they worked hard and "built the company", but employee's that've been equally there for it's hardship and growth, actually with their hands in the mud, actually have all the practical knowledge, yet are only on an income, are tossed aside at the nearest convenience because somebody smelled a bit more money.

Some of them really can't be arsed to give back the community and systems that allowed them to flourish in the first place can they.

Locust swarm.

Sometimes I feel so blessed working for somebody that actually values people.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago

even if they can "put all the knowledge" in the LLM, its unlikely the thing would even be able to use it effectively without the same engineers anyways.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 263 points 4 days ago (6 children)

So they fired the executives responsible, right?

[–] kboos1@lemmy.world 156 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Lol. Probably got bonuses then celebrated for identifying the issue and fixing it.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 73 points 4 days ago

No matter what, the parasites in the big club always fail upwards.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Heh, a few weeks back a new project manager at my work held a meeting about an upcoming project, and half the team was able to say the timeline was workable, but the specifics the project manager laid out would lead to disaster, and we just had to adjust the strategy, but still have same time and same cost. We spelled out exactly what would go wrong and how, based on previous attempts to do it the way he said. It was scheduled to be a weeklong project, which would have been a fine timeline.

He got stubborn, insisted that based on his research his approach was right, and while he would have us on standby in the unlikely event of a problem, he would largely outsource the project to a company that agreed with his plan.

So the project started Monday, and based on past experience we expected to be called into action on Tuesday morning and have to hustle, or maybe Tuesday end of day and really get overworked to close it in time. So Friday comes along and we are shocked that it must be going ok since we hadn't heard anything. 4pm rolls around, the project manager calls us in a panic saying it's all gone nowhere, zero progress made, and he has escalated to make sure we take over and now we had to make the Monday morning deadline, or our asses are screwed. Everyone worked their asses off, a couple didn't sleep the whole weekend.

So in a followup call, the project manager said "no one could have predicted it would go so badly", and then an email came out from executive team congratulating the project manager for making the project work despite challenging circumstances.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I would literally go "Nope, no going to happen, you deal with you making promises with estimates you yourself made up instead of listening to the experts".

In fact, I've already done this in the past.

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[–] hayvan@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hope the team was paid a nice overtime fee. Otherwise they should have just let it fail.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, salaried, so not 'overtime' per se, but at least I walked away with a bonus equivalent to about 4 months pay. Not solely due to that one incident, but that incident put things over the top.

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[–] Womble@piefed.world 10 points 3 days ago

If you have concerns like that always express them in an email as well as verbally, not only is it good for covering your own ass if you weren't able to pull it out the fire (tbh I think you shouldn't have busted your ass to make it work), but its also going to make people less likely to claim that unearned credit for your heroic work if you do.

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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 34 points 4 days ago (3 children)

*Underpaying someone else to fix it.

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[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Can we start replacing executives with AI? Big money savings there, and you don't even need a particularly good model

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

if anything the hallucinations will likely be less ridiculous

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 25 points 4 days ago

I'd settle for regular old I

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago

All CEOs do is mindlessly follow trends; perfect use case for AI.

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Time for another edition of "stupid or liar"

“Mistakenly, we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and adjusting the design requirements that we had, that that would produce a high-quality product,” said Charles Poon, VP of vehicle hardware engineering

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Years ago I worked at an ISP tgat went through a merger. They decided they were going to outsource customer service to another company.

We all got nice severances and 3 months prior notice where we basically didn't work because all calls were being routed to the new call center and we were just backup. What a great 3 months. We had card tourneys, spun up the companies old game servers and ran minecraft (alpha) on them, lots of fun.

Get laid off, fast forward a year and the outsource company has taken an 86% approval ratimg down to the low 30s.

They hired a lot of us back to completely rebuild the service department. I was tier 1 and got a 76% raise. I imagine others got better.

[–] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I bet the executives who made the decision gave themselves a bonus and are still working there despite the monumental blunder.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Executives fail upwards.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ROFL that was not a mistake. They all knew what would happen.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago

yup, they just got caught doing it.

[–] homes@piefed.world 85 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Seems like we’re entering the “find out” phase…

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If only...

Firing a large group of people and re-hiring a subset at reduced rates is a standard business practice used to keep wages down. This wasn't a mistake in policy, it was a clumsy execution.

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[–] TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 64 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Hopefully those employees said, "Sure, I'll come back, but my salary requirement is 50% more than you were paying me."

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 45 points 4 days ago

I always thought it was a joke until it happened to friends of mine. Massive layoffs, they were experts in one specific technology, they came back as consultants for a few years with a doubled salary. They were fired again later, but with a lot more money so it was worth it.

It would be great if all the workers would agree on this collectively, rather than just one offs.

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[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 60 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mistakenly, we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and adjusting the design requirements that we had, that that would produce a high-quality product

That's so low IQ, like saying "Mistakenly, we thought that by just introducing a lawn mower and adjust the landscaping requirements, that that would produce a high quality lawn."

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Exactly, it's incompetent managers making stupid decisions in the hope of looking good by reducing headcount. People see this and think aha, one more reason to hate AI, but blaming AI is like blaming a fork for not being a spoon.

[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And they're going to fire Charles Poon for fucking this up, right?

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 38 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I hope they had to double their previous salaries...

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[–] Doug@piefed.social 65 points 4 days ago (3 children)

That’s such a dumb fucking quote. Imagine being a stockholder and reading that sentence spouted from someone at the helm of the company.

Kick rocks, wet socks.

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Can't blame AI for the fact that I know of at least 2 Ford transit vans whose turbo blew within 6 months 5 years ago, and a ranger with oil leaks

The only thing keeping ford in business here in Australia (other than the mustang), are the yobbos who want to believe Chy-na is producing bad cars still.

They've been producing crap for decades

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago (11 children)

I've been using an LLM for programming for last 6mo and it needs constant babysitting. It's basically something that just does the most straightforward thing without consideration of nuance, maintainability or whether to actually split into a module. This is very much not surprising.

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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So the VP quit or was right fired, right? Right?

[–] Mike_The_TV@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 days ago

AI is a tool not an employee.

[–] Hoticeberg@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

VP should be fired.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago

“We’re moving from that find-and-fix mentality to preventing issues before they occur,” [...]

Funny that the introduction of AI in software development generally means a shift into the other direction. As John Ousterhout called it, "debugging a system into existence".

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Very normal story at this point. Managers incompetently think AI will magically replace employees, they lay off employees, it doesn't work, they rehire the employees.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The Broligarch's are reading the wrong philosophers. If they read Polanyi they would know that you can't build a tacit knowledge system based on explicit knowledge. Its summed up in the pithy "we know more than we can tell". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polanyi%27s_paradox

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[–] devaly@ani.social 31 points 4 days ago
  • Yes sir I can fix those, I only charge 10.000 euros / hour.
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 28 points 4 days ago

“would produce a high-quality product,”

Ai couldn’t do it. Real engineers can. However C suite gonna rebute high quality in favour of service and product that fleeces the most of the buyer.

[–] aggelalex@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

I hope they negotiated their new salary very strongly

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