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Can't wait for Death Stranding 3 to feature a character called "Sad Discman"
Death Stranding 3 will likely be lost in the stranding because it will not be stored on physical media. This will make Sad Discman really sad.
Hidden Kojima
hence why I'll never own a playstation device again.
But who is left? Nintendo?
And that's only because Nintendo tend to lag about 5 years behind everyone else. They're not sticking with physical out of their belief in physical games, that's for sure. Half their stuff is already a key and a download.
Realistically, it wouldn't really matter about discs at all if we had real digital rights. The rights to transfer games from one account to another, or even between stores. The rights to copy games to other devices, and copy them back again, or even from an online source if the original disappears for whatever reason.
Physical games could take the form of a keycard with a license on it, similar to a credit card chip. Scan it on my machine to attach to my account. Scan it on another to attach to someone else's account and remove from mine. Run offline by leaving the card in the machine.
I still buy blurays because I like owning the disk. I should have the same option for video games
I agree, and buy physical games too, but I don't think the law can mandate a disc drive.
It could mandate that digital goods remain ours forever, and that companies provide a way to keep them forever.
We've been lucky that the main players in this are still going. Valve, Sony, MS and Nintendo have deep pockets. But we've seen companies go bust before, and they'll go again. Sega were the top dog until they weren't. Before now we've always had the physical option. Now we won't. This is the tipping point and laws must be made to protect us before we lose everything.
cool let them drop a ps6 with no disk drive 😂 becsuse they just reinvented the laptop. think about how much sense it makes for them to take the long way to reinvent the wheel.
Hideo should know that having a disc doesn't mean your ganm will work and in some cases is as good as a game-code as all it does it download a massive 'day one patch' when you pop it in.
This shit is silly af.
He should launch a console.
You could release DRM free copies that users can copy to any form of media they like. If you are using DRM and complaining about this I have no respect for you.
I don't disagree with you but I also have to assume there are contracts / stipulations in place that prevent a publisher from doing this after sony/microslop/Nintendo agree to sell digital / physical copies if your game.
At the end of the day discs are not the important part consumer protection and the right of first sale in the digital space just need to be created to fix this mess. I also wonder if the Tariff tomfullery was a factor as they couldn't have any consistency of cost and profit like before.
the right of first sale in the digital space just need to be created to fix this mess
That sounds nice at first, but if you think about it, the logical conclusion is that: rather than an artist making a sale per person who wants to experience their work, they would make sales proportional to the maximum number of simultaneous viewers. With digital ownership, it would be trivial to instantly transfer ownership, so the moment someone is done playing a game or watching a movie, they'll sell it instantly to someone else.
The only content that could benefit in such an economy is low production value slop that seeks to go instantly viral and issue licenses while there's still demand. Then by the time it dies down they're on to their next slop hit. That and live-service titles that try to keep people holding their licenses. Short single-player experiences, and games from small creators who rely on passive income from a few new people finding their game over time would sell a few copies at first, and then the licenses out there would just always undercut the purchase of any new license.
Also the exchanges would make a bunch of money by taking a cut of each sale. Which is arguably better than just Sony or Valve taking their cut.
I don't like it either, but we can't act like right of first sale for digital licenses would solve all problems and not create any new ones.
The shorter version I’ve used to describe this concern is: Imagine game resale could happen through a script kiddy’s Python program. Rather than individuals arranging sales over chat, anticipate that most sales would be arranged by online sites that are copying the model of GameStop, and twice as scummy as CSGO skin gamblers.
You sell your copy of a game you bought for $50, down to $20. It’s bought instantly by an AI algorithm, and then relisted for $34.99. Then that one’s bought instantly to resell for $39.98.
I'd be surprised if the arbitrage opportunities are that broad, but yeah, it would be dominated by automated trading. It would be the same as trading stocks. Every piece of content would effectively have a bid/ask spread for its licenses, and people would have bots that are constantly speculating on them. I suppose when trade volume is low and prices vary, the swings could be quite wide trade-to-trade.
But this is what NFTs are, just with a decentralized exchange so that no single company can take a cut of every trade, and we already know how people felt about that.
The same Koijima thar was doing a game for Stadia?
He pitched it, it was approved, he started working on it.
Then he received pressure to make it multiplayer (presumably to add microtransactions). He refused, so the game was canceled.
Yes, that Kojima. The same Kojima who never sold you a microtransaction, weapon skin, season pass, or even a paid DLC. The same Kojima who never compromised his artistic vision for a payday, the same Kojima who never bowed to studio pressure to make his game "more accessible" or "more marketable". The very same Kojima who had to be forcefully removed from his own studio before he'd allow Konami to have a say in his creative process; yes, him. That's the Kojima you're referring to.
Same kojima who is apparently very good friends with Geoff "the Doritos pope" Keighly
Yeah that's probably the worst I can say about him, but Geoff's events really makes my skin crawl with his overly sponsored/branded shows
The same Kojima who did not make a Stadia game.
The stadia never has physicals. Playing console used to had it so the sony case is removing options from consumers
And Kojima doesn't like Sony's decision.
I haven't bought a console in over a decade, but I was under the impression that most/all "physical" copies these days were little more then digital download codes on discs or in cases. How many actually hold the whole game, enough to qualify as "owning" it?
Most discs still contain the full game, most physical releases contain discs of the full game
Some physical releases are just an empty case with a code. Some Nintendo Switch cartridges are just license dongles for the game download.
You’ve never owned a game. You’ve only ever licensed a game. This is true for all software. Removing the physical medium of distribution just allows the copyright cartel the control it has always wanted over something you paid for. But they have been hoodwinking consumers over what “purchase” and “buy” and “own” mean. Technically speaking, any game company could send you a C&D and tell you to stop playing their game forever, your license is revoked, and if you ever played it again they could sue for damages. Doubtful they would, as I doubt it would be worth their time; but this does mean they have the right to just decide their work is no longer available and vanish all digital copies; and they could also make all physical discs stop working through system software updates.
Well, you see, Ju$tice is expensive and unreliable.
So the decision of using or not the Justice System for enforcing one's rights isn't purelly "am I likely to win", it's also about "is it worth it bringing it to Court", which is especially important when the damages one is entitled to get are low (like the price of a game).
At which point "who controls the thing under dispute", which is theoretically unimportant in a perfect Justice System, becomes the main deciding factor.
Maybe an example will make it clear:
Anyways, the point I'm making here is that well before a Court of Law actually goes through the whole thing and determines who is in the Right and orders a certain action in favor of and/or compensation for the injured side, de facto the outcome is often decided by the actual stakeholders deciding "is it worth it taking this to court?" and in a system where Justice has costs (the bigger the costs the more that's the case) "who controls it" is pretty much the single biggest factor in that decision.
In simple terms, unless there is some kind of streamlined Judicial process for that kind of case (like there is around things like loans) bringing a case to court to force the side in control of something to act in a certain way with it is only worth it for large monetary amounts, and generally the price of a game is below that.
It just so happens that at the moment for console games having the installer for it in a physical medium in your control is having control of that copy but, as my example above illustrates, if the game does phone-home DRM authorization checks like some PC games go, it's actually not really under your control even if you have it in physical media.
I can sell the games i no longer want to play . I can't do the same with digital games
Exactly. The only reason physical media has seemed like "owning" is because the mechanism to actually enforce their license has not been feasible.
You know how often movies or shows flip off on streaming services? That's the future of games if the laws don't change
Sorry to kind of ignore your question, but I think it misses the point.
Even with only the partial game data on the disc, the disc still held the rights to the game. Therefore, the rights were transferrable. That is to say, you could still sell your disc and it would have value to the next owner.
When you are forced to buy the game directly from the PlayStation store, your game license is no longer transferable. You can't sell your old games, and you can't buy used games from someone else.
All of them contain the entire game. The only functional difference over the early days is that the game data isn’t read from disc while you play.
Not true for the majority of games, however there have been a few that have done this or something like this.
Been seeing this sentiment a lot in the wake of the news and want to stress, most games still come on disc these days. FF7 Rebirth, for example, is so big it comes on two.