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[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies.

NO YOU FUCKING CAN’T

It blows my mind how much stupid shit people believe about death and how much projection people do when it comes to the literal and figurative death of loved ones and grief.

Having dealt with both intimately I will never judge anyone on how they react and deal with grief and the death of someone in their life. That is a personal journey that has no roadmap or milestones.

The fucked up thing about grief is that the moment you think you have your arms around it and have a handle on it, it all gets goes south and gets away from you.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Google broke their Advance Search and I can't find anything past 11 months ago, but isn't there footage out there of Kirk beating his wife or was that some other manosphere influencer?

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Stephen Crowder was one of them I think, not sure if it's the same one you're thinking of

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

That's who it was. All these types blend together.

[–] Widdershins@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That was the change my mind guy. He was verbally abusing his pregnant wife. She was with twins so he was verbally abusing 3 people all at once. They have since divorced.

[–] raspirate@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

I have always believed that video was the "shot across the bow" to get Crowder to shut the fuck up and let the divorce proceed. His wife wanted the divorce to move quickly and quietly, outside the public eye. Then Crowder got loud about it, announced it was happening on his podcast and basically said that he wasn't going to agree to terminate the marriage.

Next thing that happened was that video getting released. One video, one argument, verbal only, but it still clearly painted him as a piece of shit. In my mind, that video was the wife's lawyers telling Crowder's lawyers "We have all of the home security footage. Do you really want to battle this out in public?"

Does anyone really believe that argument was the worst thing they could have released? Listen to how that man spoke to his pregnant wife and tell me you don't think he ever got physical with her. They only ever released that one video. Crowder shut up about the divorce and that was the last of it.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

You might be thinking of Dana White. I don't remember anything like that with Kirk.

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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 103 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can also tell a lot about a person by how everyone else reacts when that person dies.

[+] FishFace@piefed.social -32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"everyone?" Don't kid yourself.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 46 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yes, everyone.

There were exactly three reactions to Kirk dying:

Hurray
Who?
What a great opportunity to exploit.

That is it. Not one person was SAD.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Some of my magat in-laws definitely cried and were sad.

Myself and others celebrated, but they got extremely upset at us doing that

[+] FishFace@piefed.social -16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You are kidding yourself. What did I just say?

[–] DosDude@retrofed.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This guy has never been relevant in my home country in Europe. I'm pretty sure at least 99.5% of people here had never heard from him including me. It was still on national news the entire day, and the aftermath in the following week was on the news too. So yeah. Everyone can be a pretty apt description.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was in the "who?" crowd and when I read up on it involuntarily everywhere I also saw nobody sad. All who stated how sad it was were clearly using it as a tool for forwarding an agenda or because they felt they needed to. Non-emotional sadness.

Sure, there might be people who felt truly sad because they had a constructed image of him in their heads.

Just like a crappy 90s boyband had women deeply in love with their artificial personas.

But people emotionally sad who knew the guy well? No, not that I could see in a remotely believable way.

[+] FishFace@piefed.social -6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, so you didn't find anyone that passed your standards for sounding genuine, that means no-one was genuinely sad for Kirk's death. Come off it.

And you know, I don't think it means that much even when few people are sad at a figure in politics (if we can say that about him) is murdered. But you know what I can guarantee? A whole bunch of people were angry that he was killed.

This whole thread is just someone who said something they thought was profound but didn't think through. Controversial figures are loved by people on their side and loathed by people on the other side. You don't hear as many of the people that are on the other side to you, so OP's thinking is just an excuse to further hate on people you already hate. Sloppy thinking for people who'd rather simmer in the hate-bath of online rage.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, by my standards.

We are humans. We need standards we define to measure against in all aspects of life. And I have had many, many years to refine my standards and so I trust in them.

And yes, lots of people were indeed angry. Just like I have seen people be genuinely over the top angry because of other people.... Not being religious, choosing an abortion, being nice and inclusive to a specific minority, etc.

Being angry can very much be used for measuring my standards too.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you set your own standards, then yeah... you can tell "a lot" about someone by how people react to their death, if what you want to be able to tell is a mere reinforcement of your existing beliefs.

Because you can interpret every statement of grief as genuine (if sympathetic) or manipulative (if not); every statement of anger as an expression of genuine grief (if sympathetic) or impotent rage (if not); every statement of hatred as despicable exploitation (if sympathetic) or righteous (if not).

And then you can, like the OP, post about how this is an amazing rule of thumb, that it offers amazing insight, as if it were anything other than a mirror for your preconceptions.

Here's an honest question: have you ever applied OP's rule of thumb after someone died and thought, "huh, guess I was wrong about them?" Or did it always confirm what you already believed?

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It fully depends on the available information, doesn't it?

Without information there cannot be judgment.

And if the information I get shows that a person was a bad person by my standards then my opinion sure doesn't discriminate between them still being alive or not.

If someone I liked dies and suddenly it turns out they were only likable in pretense or were secretly an asshole to others then that is new information that changes how I regard them. Yes, absolutely.

And when I got to see information on this Kirk person I could not see how his existence improved any lives except those who were like hom who didn't really care about him as much as they did regard him as a tool for their agendas.

At most they are sad to have lost a pawn.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 9 hours ago

This all seems to be in theory.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My grandma passed away in 2008 from a stroke and my grandpa who is still alive still hasn’t recovered from her passing. He has been able to move forward and has a girlfriend/life partner now for about 8 years but even he says the feeling he has for my grandma is forever and it will never change. With Erika you never saw or hear anything to that effect at all.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

She actively celebrated his death. Like she was freed from an abusive relationship.

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 31 points 1 day ago

Wonder when Lindsey Grahams roommate will start his tour

[–] SSETranquility@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Does anyone feel like posting that guy cosplaying as this lady? At the time, I didn't realize how accurate his impression was so I didn't save the memes. It was the funniest thing and surreal how he captured her shtick

[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It’s not good form to make fun of someone’s appearance but why does she look so uncanny? She just looks off in every photo I’ve seen of her and I can’t really articulate why.

Is it just the simultaneous conflicting grief grift grindset? I don’t really get it. There’s plenty of people who walk around with what looks like too much makeup to me but it kind of works for them.

At least with the dead guy it’s how his bad faith self righteousness colors ever facial expression he makes.

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Horrible posture, too much makeup (especially her eye liner), she doesn't know how to dress for her body type, and her pants go up to her rib cage.

At least those are the top things that always stand out to me about her appearance.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

She got the same posture as K-2SO

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Nailed it.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Don't insult droids or Alan Tudyk like that.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Grieft

[–] caurvo@aussie.zone 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She has early onset Maralago face.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This comedian did too good of job mocking them

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Is that a funny cool person to look up

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

I don't know, tbh. She made me flinch when I opened the wikipedia page above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Lambert

[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

What you're picking up on is sociopathy. Pure evil in human form.

Edit: insane to get a downvote for this 💀

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In death, people only earn the respect they deserved in life.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Shouldn't that be "deserve the respect they earn in life"?

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Erika Lane Kirk (née Frantzve; born November 20, 1988)

She wants money: and she is pathetic and gross

[+] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

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[+] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's been like 10 months since her husband died. By all means attack her on her politics, I'll probably agree with you.

But expecting a woman to be a shut in and grieving for a year seems a little bit regressive to me.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This was like a week after his death. Ol boy wasn’t even cold yet. She went on a whole “grief tour” throwing massive events.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 20 hours ago

Her behavior is her own.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not that she's not grieving, it's that she's taken every possible opportunity to profit off of his death

[–] spiffmeister@aussie.zone 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah but that's what he would have wanted. The grift must go on.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

True, it's just a man, those are cheap and plentiful.

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