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[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

Argentina then belongs to Spain. Do your thing Lamine.

[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I thought the whole Falkland Islands war in the 80s was mainly as an outlet for Thatcher to rally people behind and justify austerity, which was wanted by the neoliberal admin to distract from the privatization making things more expensive.

[–] RaftDespairPoise@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I thought the whole Iran war in the 2020s was mainly as an outlet for Trump to rally people behind and justify unchecked cost of living increases, which was wanted by the billionaire class to distract from the privatization making things more expensive, and also the Epstein Files.

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 minutes ago

I thought the whole Iraq war in the 2000s was mainly as an outlet for Bush to rally people behind and justify unchecked sprawling surveillance, which was wanted by the neocons and their rich donors to solidify their social control from / and the privatisation.

[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 1 points 28 minutes ago
[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 17 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It was also so the dictator of Argentina could rally people behind him because he was losing popularity.

[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Oh yes, 100%. Just another case of regular people being used as pawns for the interests of the elite ig

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 27 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Not sure how I feel about this.

From my understanding the island wishes to stay part of the UK, but I don't know if historically that's because they colonized the fuck out of it.

Argentina is also kind of an asshole country, so is the UK. Both in their own way.

Argentina also played like absolute assholes. The UK is notorious for being assholes about football.

I guess I'll just say oof.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 21 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

There was no colonization.

The issue with the malvinas/Falklands is that there are no "historically rightful owners", since no one lived there when they were discovered by the British.

But it's also not as easy as "the British discovered, so it's theirs", because they just discovered and left. They didn't leave no settlement.

The islands have a complicated history, both sides have strong arguments in favor of themselves, there's no clear cut "rightful owner".

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago

I agree with this take. The claims are plausible from both sides but England obviously won the battle. The inhabitants being established are a result of the military positioning, so their votes will obviously be skewed. Not sure their votes are comparable to those of say native populations of other disputed territories (since there were none).

So I can understand why the Argentines feel aggrieved.

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Hm that's tough. I always like to think boundaries set by countries are bullshit anyway, but it is located closer to Argentina. Another comment says they both want it because the island comes with vast amount of fishing so economic reasons. And the UK probably put money forth to develop some sort of living situation on there.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The UK is the only one's who have ever invested on infrastructure. And it is all mostly to support the fishing industry. This is about money for the UK. The people who live there are descendants from people of all sort of places, because they were fishermen for a British fishing company. No wonder when asked, they prefer to be considered British. All Argentina has ever done on the island is bombing them.

[–] Tingle@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago

To clarify, the ENGLISH are assholes about SPORT, not the UK, there are other cultures in there that are vastly different in their attitudes, it will be import to remember that when it comes to election time as well since you will find different parts of the UK will be voting in very different ways.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 62 points 8 hours ago (6 children)
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[–] pipi1234@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Some facts that most of you might you not know:

Argentina argues it inherited sovereignty from Spain after independence, and that it was actively administering the islands (with a governor and settlers) when Britain forcibly removed the Argentine garrison in 1833 and installed its own settlers — an act Argentina considers an illegal seizure of territory it has never accepted. Argentina also points to geographic proximity: the islands sit about 300 miles off the Argentine coast, versus roughly 8,000 miles from Britain.

So invading an occupied territory 8000 miles from your country is fair play?

This happening today would trigger all kind of global outrage and ONU actions.

That's a very slanted version of the history. It is much more complicated than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands#History

Tl;DR, settled and abandoned several times, Argentina's claim depends heavily on a legally dubious hand over of ownership from Spain and proximity. UK's claim is based on ongoing occupation of abandoned islands which it had never agreed their claim to was relinquished or invalid.And the fact that the independent settlers who were living there in the most recent re-settlement rejected Buenos Aires and asked for London's help to secure themselves.

All people who have been living on the islands for near 2 centuries want to be British (see referendum posted on here).

As for the "occupied territory" - well I think the South American natives might want to have a similar discussion about European settlers in Argentina who have also been there several centuries - if you want to unwind one in fairness you need to unwind the other.

Dot point version:

  • Uninhabitated prior to European settlement/invasion of South America

  • The Falklands remained uninhabited until the 1764 establishment of Port Louis on East Falkland by French captain Louis Antoine de Bougainville and the 1765 foundation of Port Egmont on Saunders Island by Captain John Byron (for clarity - separate parts of the island group, both groups unaware of each other as far as any documentation can tell).

  • In 1766, France surrendered its claim on the Falklands to Spain, which renamed the French colony Puerto Soledad the following year. Problems began when Spain detected and captured Port Egmont in 1770. War was narrowly avoided by its restitution to Britain in 1771

  • The British and Spanish settlements coexisted in the archipelago until 1774, when Britain'withdraw the garrison from the islands, leaving a plaque claiming the Falklands for King George III. Spain's Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata became the only formal presence in the territory. West Falkland was left abandoned, and Puerto Soledad became a penal colony. Amid the British invasions of the Río de la Plata during the Napoleonic Wars in Europe, the islands' governor evacuated the archipelago in 1806; Spain's remaining colonial garrison followed suit in 1811

  • Since the islands had no permanent inhabitants, in 1823 Buenos Aires granted German-born merchant Luis Vernet permission to conduct fishing activities and exploit feral cattle in the archipelago. Vernet settled at the ruins of Puerto Soledad in 1826, and accumulated resources on the islands until the venture was secure enough to bring settlers and form a permanent colony [NOTE that was NOT a colony beholden to what is now Argentina, it was attempting to set up an independent state]

  • Vernet's venture lasted until a dispute related to fishing and hunting rights led to a raid by the American warship USS Lexington in 1831, when United States Navy commander Silas Duncan declared the dissolution of the island's government.

  • Buenos Aires attempted to gain influence over the settlement by installing a garrison in October 1832, which mutinied within a month and was followed the next year by the arrival of British forces, who reasserted Britain's rule

  • The British troops departed after completing their mission, leaving the area without formal government.[48] Vernet's deputy, the Scotsman Matthew Brisbane, returned to the islands that year to restore the business, but his efforts ended after, amid unrest at Port Louis, gaucho Antonio Rivero led a group of dissatisfied individuals to murder Brisbane and the settlement's senior leaders; survivors hid in a cave on a nearby island until the British returned and restored order

  • In the late 1830s, an appeal was made to the Colonial Office in London by businessmen seeing potential profit, for organised settlement of the islands.[49] In 1840, the Falklands became a Crown colony

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The fact that Israel is committing a genocide and razing Gaza as the world watches mostly unmoved destroys your last sentence. The world doesnt care at all. This has nothing to do with sovereignty or administration or even colonialism. This is just about money (for england) and distracting people from the fact that Argentina's economy is collapsing (again, money).

This conflict is what happens when the military makes political decisions. Argentina could've had the islands for decades if they weren't so eager to play fascist invader themselves.

[–] pipi1234@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself, I've seen massive outrage about Gaza genocide.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Oh, you meant like stern letters and tons of meetings where the US vetoes everything? Sure there would be some of those. But no one will actually do anything outrageous to stop it.

Like, a ton of people will still make money out of selling weapons to both sides. And somehow governments will publicly denounce the conflict while also making record profit on war technology, as is tradition with global outrages.

Lots of tiktok and Instagram posts, surely as well, at least during the first weeks.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

ARA General Belgrano belongs to Posiden

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 19 points 8 hours ago

So Messi believes that Argentina should colonize the Falklands? Man I really wish he had just stayed a football autist.

[–] PromKingJosh@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Source in case you're wondering if the photo is real: www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jul/15/malvinas-is-argentinian-world-cup-holders-celebrate-win-over-england-with-banner

It's a shame it has come to this, especially that Scaloni - Argentina's coach - opposed the whole war undertones by saying that "it will be just a football match and nothing more" during a press conference.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 40 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

Argentina played some of the dirtiest WC soccer I've ever seen. Grabbing the English goalie's arms during a corner kick, regularly shoving opposing players in the back and grabbing their jerseys when they got the ball during a fast break. The referee only handed out a single yellow card, and let everything else pass.

Messi wasn't doing it so overtly, but everyone else especially Simeone, were just blatant. Have no dog in this race, but that was just gross.

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago

4 yellow cards, 1 for England, 3 for Argentina. Martinez, Romero, and De Paul all got carded, as did Anderson

Personally, I think the ref should have started handing them out right from the start to set the tone, but then I hate dirty football. I personally think you should beat the other team by playing better football

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