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kind of disappointing to see, considering they had some very large communities across the feddiverse.
If they were trying to do something like tildes with the small, curated user base, they probably shouldn't have federated at all. this is just going to hold community growth back for the other instances
Seems like beehaw is doing everything they can to isolate themselves from the community. They seem to have good intentions but they are way too uptight.
So what does defederation mean in practice? I can still see communities on beehaw im subbed to. Is it just that I won't see new ones? Or that I can't search/comment on them?
Ok so Lemmy instances can decide to disconnect from other instances.
We have instance A, instance B and instance C
initially all 3 are interconnected or "federated with each other" - any member of any instance can see the communities and users from any other instance.
Suddenly something happens that makes instance A defederate with instance B
So now instance A cannot see and participate with the communities and users of B and vice versa. However instance C can see and participate in the communities of Both
So in terms of beehaw vs lemmy.world I would be on instance 3 - I can see and participate both, their defederation from each other doesn't affect you, it only affects the users of beehaw or Lemmy.world
EDIT:
I just realised your in lemmy.world. huh weird... Maybe it takes a while for the defederation to settle, or maybe it makes it a one way communication.
EDIT2 I might be wrong, see this post
lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/22361/-/comment/96933
Oh well, I was subbed into a couple beehaw communities but wasn't really active in them anyways.
That's pretty big. I wasn't a huge fan of everything they were doing, though. From all the communities I saw from Beehaw, they were all generic, cookie cutter ones that seemed to be trying to fill the default subs from Reddit. Gaming, Politics, Space, etc. All simple ones with the same icons and everything. I assume they were all ran by the same group of people, which loses the community feel I appreciate about most other instances.
I assume they were all ran by the same group of people
Yup, that's correct. Beehaw's 4 admins run every communty on there
This is still a new system. There's gonna be some fuss. Expect for not everything to go perfectly all the time.
This is computers. Sometimes it's just necessary to turn something off, wait a bit, and turn it on again.
Sorry to hear that. I enjoyed your communities.
There are similar "defaults" on Lemmy.ml to what is on Beehaw and I imagine communities will spring up here if you need ones to subscribe to. I imagine this could cause Beehaw's general communities to lose sway over time outside the ones specific to their instance.
So i guess that this solves the big problem short term. The influx has been the first growing pain. But long term it does nothing. They will get caught defederating from smaller instances over and over. Anyone that jumps in from smaller instances will be able to carry on, at least how i understand it. The cream will rise to the top eventually, but such a strong declaration so early isnt a good sign. If the mods from any large instance decide that "this is too much, ban them" is the best response, the lemmy community is destined to be a fractured mess, rather than a reddit killer or a reddit refugee state.
I guess, imo, i get it. 100% understand from a moderation point of view. But im frustrated that there is this big of a fold the first week of real volume. The cesspool will exist in any instance. But going thermobaric this early leads to nukes next week. And it may be a sign of why a strong corporate arm and direction, as much as we hate it, is currently the winning scenario. Unfederated control is powerful. The hydra has been unleashed, but for each head you cut off, three more appear.
Reddit refugees are already fracturing between Tildes, Squabbles.io, Lemmy etc.
IDK, the creator of that instance just started it as a little side project. I don't get the sense they ever really expected for it to blow up or were trying to make it a "main instance".
If anything this is just a reminder that instances aren't nodes in the same service. They will all have their own culture, goals and philosophy.
Is there a summary somewhere of each instance's "reputations"? Most descriptions I see are just things like "A place for everyone". It's kind of frustrating that new users are told to join any server, because it's all federated, and then go oops sorry you joined the Nazi server, sucks for you.
All the generic subs like news and technology were there. This is nuts. Glad it happened now. That server of snowflakes needs to not be promoted.
Not allowing downvotes is always a big red flag to me.
Gotta say this being one of my first impressions of lemmy... Its not great. Beehaw had a large tech and gaming section that I literally only just subbed too.
I havenβt seen anything suspect coming from either of those instances yet; quite the opposite.
This is surprising, but oh well. We can rebuild, we have the technology.
My problem is they had the technology. We gotta build a new technology now.
Shoot, I kinda liked their Technology and News communities to keep up to date. Those were active enough. I like the whole decentralized nature of Lemmy, but this shows that it is really important to join an instance where you will be the most active on. Sure you can have multiple accounts for each instance, but that is a pain in the ass. Unsubscribed from the Beehaw communities for now.
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As I was posting in the other thread, they are blocking almost 300 communities and the reason for these last two is that having four mods they can't keep up with the huge influx of users. What is worse, they call it temporary until there are better moderation tools, but reading further what they hope for is the ability to block external users while allowing theirs to browse other communities
Seems weird to me theyβre de-federating from world but not from the very problematic ml.
They said it's mostly about the amount of moderation action they've had to take against users from those instances. Maybe lemmy.ml has less users who behave badly outside their server?
I could also see there being a reticence to defederate from the "canonical" instance so to speak.
