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Texas State Rep. James Talarico using biblical scripture to tear down conservative Christian arguments

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[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 175 points 7 months ago

This is why it's really handy to be well versed in the Bible -- it's very easy to throw their shit right back in their face. Know their bible better than they do.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 135 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Matthew 5:17-9 says that all old testament laws still apply

Matthew 6:5 says not to pray in public or flaunt your religion.

Matthew 19:24 says that no Christian should have any disposable income.

Timothy 2:12 says that Christian women may not proselytize

Peter 2:18 says The Christ himself condones slavery

Psalm 137:9 says that those who kill babies in the name of the Lord are glorified for they are exterminating the next generation of "Our Enemies"

There are a ton more. I'll add as I remember them.

Numbers 5:11-31 is the only time that the entirety of The Bible or The Apocrypha even mention abortion. Those verses tell you how to perform an abortion. (In possibly the worst way, and for the worst reasons imaginable) This literally makes The Bible Pro-Choice.

I'm intentionally ignoring the incest and lots of logical holes in the Old Testament as much as I can, because I want to poke holes in what these modern "Christians" believe.

Edit 3: Oh! Oh! This shit contains so many verses to deploy against evangelicals. http://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

[-] frazw@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

I'm sure the answer would be: "Yeah but they couldn't have foreseen how the modern world works 2000 years ago. We need to adapt to the ti... Hang on did you say we can have slaves again?"

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 7 months ago

How could they have know that 250 years later, we’d have miniature Gatling guns that fit in a pocket and can be reloaded in seconds when they wrote the second amendment.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

So their all-powerful, all-seeing god couldn't foresee the future when putting down his official laws?

[-] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The problem with this is that would require them to respect rational thought from the start, which we know isn't the case.

[-] hactar42@lemmy.ml 51 points 7 months ago

I was arguing about locking immigrates in cages and separating families with a religious person and told them the verse

When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born.

He then told me that was a mistranslation. That foreigner really meant someone from the next town over, but not from another country.

[-] Remmock@kbin.social 63 points 7 months ago

Leviticus 19:33-34 "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Ah yes, the town of Egypt. Just a short couple of hours by horse.

[-] redknight942@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago

40 years of wandering later

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago

Well, it's not like they had GPS...

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 34 points 7 months ago

Know their bible better than they do.

They interpret it selectively, just like their version of the Constitution that begins and ends with the Second Amendment.

[-] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

This is the problem. It doesn't matter. For every interpretation one may have, someone else has an interpretation somewhere else in the scriptures that says the exact opposite according to them. The book itself is such a giant catchall for any motive one may have it's almost comical at this point. Virtually anyone can use it as evidence of support for or against just about anything.

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 147 points 7 months ago

Conservatives aren’t Christian. They just pretend to be so they can manipulate each other.

[-] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

They want to expand that to manipulate everyone.

[-] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 68 points 7 months ago

They never have an answer when someone uses the book they’ve never actually read against them. All she could do was stand there and stutter.

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 58 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Gotta love when an articpe describes something in the title, and then doesn't actually put the details of that thing in the article. The only mention of the bible in the article is "After quoting from the bible, the Democratic lawmaker said..."

Anyone know what the actual quote was?

[-] 93maddie94@lemm.ee 48 points 7 months ago

Matthew 6:5 about praying in secret. Also some references to faith without works is dead and to feed the hungry and clothe the naked in reference to why there is a proposal to put the commandments in classrooms but not to do what Jesus actually calls Christians to do.

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[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 56 points 7 months ago
[-] morphballganon@lemmy.world 51 points 7 months ago

Good, but it shouldn't have even gotten that far.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What do you call people who don’t follow the Bible?

Answer - Christians

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 51 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Jesus was a poor, brown skinned, socialist, Middle-Eastern, Jewish, pacifist hippie who advocated for paying taxes, supporting the poor, forgiving criminals, giving your money away to charity, and practicing nonviolence all while hanging out with a bunch of other men and prostitutes.

If the second coming happened today Christians would crucify him again before the weekend was over.

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[-] Skiff@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

What do you call people who have actually read the Bible?

Atheists.

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago

I thought republican Christians did not believe in the bible any more. It's too woke

[-] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 29 points 7 months ago

They're fine with the Old Testament, it's got plenty of treachery, rape, slavery and fraud cheered on by God, mixed in with smiting and destroying things that disagree with you.

They have a problem with the teachings of Christ in the New Testament, which is all a bit too "someone was different to me so I made friends with them and we ate together".

[-] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

rape, slavery

It draws an odd moral line here where a virgin prisoner of war can basically be raped for the rest of her life as a "wife" but the act of doing so makes it so the "husband" cannot sell her into slavery after leaving her.

I think the best way of summing up biblical ethics is "there's animal rights but women are the animals"

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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago
[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 7 months ago

was secretly hoping the title was literal and he just took a bible and smacked the republicans upside the head

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 27 points 7 months ago

"THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU!" WHACK

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[-] BigT54@lemmy.world 41 points 7 months ago

Just so you and everyone else is aware. In the link you posted, everything after the question mark is a tracking id, using the link without that part of the link works perfectly fine and reduces traceability.

[-] VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago

I loved how small she sounded at the end of questioning by the first guy. Then the chud in the back-right corner has to jump on and say "oh since Jesus is God, he wrote the ten commandments, don't you just feel the luuuv in them" and totally tried to give her back face after the questioning. But as the first rep said, the bill, as it's written, is arrogant and idolatrous. But she just wants to "keep it clean", and ignore every other piece of history that shows the coalition that formed to create the US.

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

That was awesome. I'm not anti Christian, I'm very pro even field though. The call out of hypocracy in a way that was from the source was art.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago

Sadly it usually doesn't work. These "Christian" Republicans wouldn't have any faith if they didn't have bad faith. They don't care what the book they supposedly follow says. They just use it as a weapon for those who supposedly believe it but have never read it for themselves.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Don't y'all know it doesn't count if it happens in the new testament

[-] FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

Isn't Jesus from the new testament?

[-] FewerWheels@mander.xyz 27 points 7 months ago

That is what he is saying. To them Jesus doesn’t count. He’s much too nice to others. Really, they don’t care about the Bible except as a tool to abuse others so the argument in the article will not have any influence on christofacist thinking.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

I recently read an article where pastors/priests are having this issue. They are quoting Jesus Christ and then being told by MAGA followers that they are spouting "woke liberal propaganda."

Now, you don't have to follow what Jesus said to do. I'm not Christian and so don't model my life around his teachings. But if you claim to "follow Jesus," but then want to reject what Jesus said to do because it's "too woke," then maybe you should get a different religion!

[-] doubletwist@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Funny thing is, if you take the bible and ignore the new testament, isn't that effectively Judaism?

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I'm Jewish and I believe so. Of course, they don't follow those rules either. They want to follow a bunch of rules that they imagine are in the Bible and they won't let a little thing like those rules not being in there get in their way!

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Junk links all over the article, but none leading to the video they talk about? Journalism is dead.

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[-] casmael@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago

Ahh yes I too remember the well known and oft quoted bible passage “and then the Lord said unto him, ‘place a picture of your dingus on the wall in every room’ and then after he had said it, he laughed unto himself, saying ‘hehe I wonder if they’ll actually do it’ “

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