I find it hard to imagine wanting to have kids just so your dictator has more meat to feed into his meat grinder. Perhaps the only good news is Putin hopefully doesn't have 18 more years in him, so the kids won't have to deal with him directly, but who knows who will sit in the throne next...
I doesn't work either. Appeals to nationalism, religion, and even straight up paying and providing luxury benefits to people, in order to have them start having more kids just did nothing in the long run. The world is different. Your children are more likely to become independent adults when you put your resources into a smaller number of children. The cost/benefits ratio of having large families to produce stability, and increase the chances at least one child will be successful, has completely reverse from 100+ years ago.
Putin will open rape/baby factories for female prisoners next. Just watch.
You're already projecting compassion he doesn't have by assuming he'd wait for them to turn 18. If he thought it would work, he'd march 5 year olds in bomb vests over the border then have Elon announce that Ukraine kills children.
Yeah "make more people for me to kill" doesn't seem like a winning message.
I wonder if women will start getting medals for babies, like soviet times? Another question, if these women are raising 8 kids, and all the men are dead in a sunflower field south of Avdivika, who the hell is supposed to be working in Russia for the next generation? Just banking on enslaving Ukraine to pay for the cost of enslaving Ukraine?
That’s probably what Russia was roughly planning to do, yeah.
This whole endeavor has been top to bottom stupid
From Russia’s end: absolutely.
But also from the NATO end - why in the ever loving fuck aren’t we just giving Ukraine enough to actually restore their borders? All the counterarguments effectively stem from deeply wrongheaded and dated geopolitical strategies that Kissinger would have not only loved, but in fact specifically made efforts to personally support.
I think winning is not the goal of the Western military, the goal is to reduce the amount of military equipment in Russia to a historic low. This can’t be accomplished by winning quickly.
They actually introduced pretty much that exact thing back in 2008, the Order of Parental Glory. Have more children to fuel the machine, please
Hey Putine, let me help …..
All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win
That's one way to deal with an ageing population demographic.
Another way is to perhaps not throw every able-bodied young man into a militaristic meat grinder because you still yearn for the Soviet Union days.
Where are these women going to find suitable partners to pick from? The smart ones left or will leave, the others will be growing sunflowers.
pick
I think you're making an assumption that this monster is not
"...so that I can send your children to be killed in my war..." Putin, probably.
Putin seems to be in a competition with Trump for the stupidest authoritarian prize.
Javier Milei, Matteo Salvini, Boris Johnson, Geert Wilders, Jair Bolsonaro & a frightening whole lot of others have entered the chat.
Imma start up a mail order groom app for those russian ladies
*Male order
Well .. I don't want to say literally Hitler, but ...
So, basically, Putin is telling Russian women to "get fucked for Putin"?
That's why even if Russia wins the war or got some concessions, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. They're already experiencing population decline because of massive emigration aside from lower birth rate (which is why Putin is paying lip service to the conservative religious Russians to promote more birth, and in turn endeared him to conservatives across the world). The war will add to the burden of the Russian people on top of corruption and debt after the conflict.
If this is true, this has to be the ultimate way of not really dealing with the population crisis upon us. Not saying any government is doing a great job here as they are all beating around the bush and not addressing root causes, but this one from Putin has to be the most delusional of them all.
There is no population crisis, unless you mean there are too many people. Most of the work we do is entirely unnecessary and only exists to help billionaires become trillionaires. At least that's the case in countries that don't need meat to throw in front of bullets.
Necessary jobs are mostly farming, mining, manufacturing, and customer service. The first two have already been automated to need only a tiny percentage of the workforce they once require. Manufacturing is mostly there as well, and is getting closer all the time. Customer service still employs a lot of humans, but even those jobs are being replaced or augmented with physical or logical bots.
Blood for the blood god.
I have a friend who left Russia to get away from bullshit like the Order of Maternal Glory.
Maybe he doesn't realize it'll take a couple decades, and he'll be dead by then, for any women having children now to see them old enough to fight or have any impact on the country
Let's keep going until there's a 1:39 male to female ratio. That'd be ideal. Not strange at all.
Let’s keep going until there’s a 1:39 male to female ratio. That’d be ideal. Not strange at all.
It's not about the ratio, it's about a total amount of bodies, regardless of gender, available to run/work the country, in the future generations.
They already took a big hit in World War II, and they're taking another hit now, and most nations taking two pop hits in a row don't recover well.
I mean, with Russia, it seems like it's just been constant: WW1, revolution, WW2, Stalin's reign, now this.
If anything, rather than WW2 and this being "in a row", that time frame includes probably the biggest gap in the past century without a grievous population loss.
For as much as we (Americans) regard Russia (as a state) with an adversarial eye, as far as Russians (the actual common people) are concerned, I kinda feel for them. Seems like their entire history is dominated by difficulty, hardship, and death.
Then again maybe that impression is precisely the impression that the American education system has very carefully cultivated...
I knew they weren’t winning, but I didn’t realize things were this bad. Fuck. I mean, yay for Ukraine, but damn, Putin is a horrible human being.
Meat for the meat grinder.
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