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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 164 points 7 months ago

Even the basic - operator so rarely works as intended in any search bar anymore. I used to be able to ferret out anything from mountains of results that way. Now it just ignores the operator.

[-] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 71 points 7 months ago

Something something you are the product.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

They sell clicks, so uh yes

[-] Neato@kbin.social 69 points 7 months ago

Quote marks to search for a specific phrase in order doesn't work either. I remember in high school in the very early aughts being taught these operators. Fucking shameful.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

It ain't the innovation capitalists promised us, is it? Handicap the search engine so that people spend more time seeing ads, why not.

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[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 63 points 7 months ago

The top search results from Google always being reddit links is a fairly recent phenomenon(I would say in the last year or so?), in no small part due to Google's targeted advertisements and SEO ruining the Internet, and LLMs has made blogspam much easier than ever before.

Despite its multiple flaws(the biggest one would have to be the inability to search for comments), reddit is one of the only places on the English speaking Internet where you can find genuine, relatively high quality dialogue between real people, good or bad, without any paywalls, which is also why I think reddit has always had an disproportionate influence on Internet discourse relative to its size.

I would say if reddit was competent, they would be trying to foster this aspect of its community that would take the function from Google and make it the best place to search for answer to everything, because in the end, all search on the Internet boils down to finding real people to willingly help other people in public, and there is no better marketing than genuine word-of-mouth. But, reddit seemed to be keen on rereading the steps to what ruined Google in the first place, the priority of targeted advertisment over people.

[-] 31337@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

On a mobile browser, Reddit isn't very usable. Tons of nagging about using the app. I guess you could say it's app-walled or spyware-walled.

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Can posts and comment here in Lemmy be found in Google (or generally any search engine)? That would be a massive downside.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Of course they can, as a public forum, Lemmy is search engine crawlable as any other webpage on the public Internet.

I'm not sure why that would be a downside though.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah this is something that too few people get about the Fediverse. Because it's decentralised and sends your data to many independent servers by default, it's in fact even harder to scrub what you post off the internet than a centralised platform. Even if your current instance goes down, other federated instances will still have a lot of the original posts and comments. You can never be certain that all instances have deleted your post or comment because they can simply not comply with the signal from your home instance asking them to delete it, or have defederated between you making the post and you deleting it so it never gets the deletion signal. Plus, you have zero way of knowing if any instance still stores the original content on their servers or in backups even after you've both edited a post blank to remove the text and deleted it.

This is certainly a double edged sword. On one hand, it makes information that was intended to be public more accessible by the public. On the other hand, it does run up against the "right to be forgotten" doctrine, and does have very real privacy implications. Lemmy is better for privacy in terms of not tracking your browser and not having ads, but worse for privacy in that anything you post can't really be deleted.

But more than anything, it's a reason to think before you post because you likely won't be able to take it back.

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[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I meant it would be bad if the content can not be found.

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[-] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 58 points 7 months ago

God it is so annoying how bloated Google feels these days - it's becoming more and more frequent for me just to use Bing because it actually gives me what I'm asking for rather than burying it in everything "similar" to it

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 38 points 7 months ago

Bing is not better. That's how sad it all is.

[-] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 16 points 7 months ago

Exactly, it isn't even better, it just actually does what you ask. That's how low the bar is

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[-] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago

SEO is what is killing Google. Companies designing shit websites designed to highjack search results is a huge issue.

[-] Venat0r@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

It's also because they search for something different than your query in order to combat seo in certain cases, and to help people who don't know how to use Google: https://moz.com/blog/google-modifying-searches

But it seems like this behavior tends to break down when the user knows what they're doing and Google does something different because it thinks it knows better search terms...

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[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago

Is putting "reddit" after everything using Google competently?

[-] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 51 points 7 months ago
[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 17 points 7 months ago

"In order to see this page, you need to install the APP!"

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[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Whoah there, pardner!

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[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 44 points 7 months ago

Google is absolute garbage now. Nothing but paid results.

[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Or AI generated bullshit. So many AI images

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[-] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I keep reading this, but Google still limits itself to your search terms 100% if you put them in quotation marks separately.
And you can exclude specific terms completely with a minus and quotation marks.

"searchterm1" "searchterm2" -"excluderesultswiththisterm"  

If you want results containing just one of your terms, put OR between them.

I haven't found another (free) search engine that respects these limits completely.
If your results still suck using this trick, it's because the internet as a whole sucks a lot more now. Forums are dead, blog posts are written by AI and heavily optimized to push them up in the search results, and all interesting info written by humans is in chat apps now.

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

The fact that I have to put every word in quotes feels like getting on my knees and pleading for the search I actually want.

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The fact that results are worse because the Internet is worse is certainly a talking point Google is currently pushing hard. It's nonsense of course. The Internet was absolute, abysmal garbage when Google was created, mostly filled with junk Web sites made by conmen, narcissists and high school kids. In short, it was no different from today. Google pulled up the tiny portion of value from the dredges, and it did so for years even as people kept churning out junk. The fact that they could filter through the immense pile of junk was, until recently, a key feature they marketed about themselves. What has changed recently isn't the proportion of junk on the Internet. It's how Google ranks its searches and the fact that now Google gets a large portion of its revenue selling ads on sites, sites it lists in its search results.

[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 7 months ago

Didn't really feel this way until last night

Neighbors dog got out and attacked some sheep, apparently they were getting flamed online for it

Could not for the fucking life of me find the Facebook posts about it even after logging in.

I DID find that my neighbor raped someone under 16 10 years ago, though, so thanks Google?

[-] TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml 24 points 7 months ago

I switched to Kagi. Sure I've to pay acouple of bucks, but I realized my time is worth more than trying to find stuff while trying not to fall into the seo rabbit hole or Pinterest hellscape.

[-] kalpol@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

More than a couple, the cheapest option is $5 a month. Is it really that much better?

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[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

You used to be able to use google to skim free music from peoples unprotected online storage. But thats not a thing anymore both because google is worthless as a search engine, and because companies and scam artists figured out how to appear as these directories in the lists.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago

In days of old, when men were bold, and condoms weren't invented; they'd put a sock, upon their cock, and babies were prevented.

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[-] MrJ199414@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I find duckduckgo works pretty well. Use to I'd have to swap between it and Google depending on what I was looking for, but now I haven't had to swap in so long, that when I am forced to use Google at work, I actually get irritated with it because all the answers are buried under a mountain of ads.

[-] seash@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

In the new era where every search engine is garbage because of all the search term bait websites with no real content, at least DuckDuckGo still respects you as a person

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[-] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 15 points 7 months ago

I had been using Duckduckgo but I've been dissatisfied with tweaking the results. For instance, turning off the localization in the settings did not remove (commercial) results in my native language even when searching keywords in english.

I switched to SearxNG; I found a local instance. Very satisfied for the moment, I recommend testing it!

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[-] shalva97@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

I switched to Kagi for everyday usage, yandex for piracy and Google Maps for finding places on the map. There really is no one option.

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[-] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 7 months ago

Every time people say that google search results "just don't work anymore" I can almost never get anyone to share a specific example of a search not working on their end. The few times people did give a specific example, google gave me exactly the result they claimed it wouldn't give, and on the first try. I genuinely don't experience this grand breakdown of google everyone else claims to be struggling against.

There are genuine issues (like ai images overtaking specific search results), but overwhelmingly google finds me what I'm looking for even when I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for. The few times it falls short, I try duckduckgo like everyone recommends, but the results are always worse.

I can't possibly be the only one whose search results still work great.

[-] dhorse@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Trying to find anything related to fixing a computer issue based on an error message is nearly impossible without massaging the query by adding a domain name in the query like spiceworks.com, reddit.com, or microsoft.com (though the initial reply from the Microsoft person is always a the same install updates, sfc /scannow, etc) . There are so many worthless sites that all have the same or very similar content that are followed up with a sales pitch for registry cleaners and other worthless software to automatically fix your problem.

[-] woodenskewer@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

I never once saw a thread on Microsoft forums marked answered by an official Microsoft account. It is always an angry user with some obscure fix in regedit. Most of the time the solutions Microsoft offers don't even seem relevant to the question being asked. I don't know why they bother.

It's a low key fun time for me trying to fix a problem via Microsoft forums because I get excited in reading people's responses to their generic solutions.

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[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well I mean, I'm not gonna keep a list of all the examples, but I do know that I struggle a lot more with finding stuff than I used to, because I remember the feeling and frustration of not being able to find the thing I know exists (or has to exist) that I want to find.

Also the front page is often full of garbage, sponsored shit, or straight up ads or scams.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

There's a million different posts on Reddit if people giving specific examples of results being irrelevant, and search operators not working, especially the negative operator. Google has stripped their search of all the tools that used to make it useful, all so you have to search more, see more ads, and still end up only seeing whatever is profitable to them.

[-] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago

For me it's not about specific examples, rather the overall quality of searches. I get a lot more results non exactly pertaining to what I wanted

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

I can give you an example. I was looking to run FFXIV on Linux WITHOUT Steam. Because I never bought the Steam version and have been on it for 8 years. When I changed distros (from Unbuntu to Cinnamon Lime) I had to find it again.

Luckily I know where to go with previous experience. But that is one example. Also I was recently searching for any medical findings from Norway or Sweden regarding schizophrenia and the findings from 10 years ago. They just give modern equivalents and need to refine your search.

I find something weekly that I need to go find using Firefox. Because of the Reddit and shopping spam. Granted most of the time I am looking for something to buy and the shopping is convenient, I wish exclusion was easier.

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[-] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago

I use Duckduckgo for the vast majority of my searches but when I need to find something too specific I've lately been using Bing Chat. Aside from any privacy concerns I find it works surprisingly well.

[-] weirdwallace75@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Google's gotten worse, but some people are still asking it questions in natural language and have absolutely no idea how quotes work.

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 17 points 7 months ago

"Will quotes work this time?" is the question I have since it seems hit or miss now. When they removed the ability to minus keywords it insisted you intended that were unrelated, everything went to shit.

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